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    Brake Overhaul Query .......

    I recently swapped over the wheels from the Series 3 to the County and vice versa to see if the ride would improve,it did. While I had the wheels removed I inspected the brakes. I was pleasantly surprised to find new back plates, new wheel cylinders, new shoes,re- conditioned drums,new hoses to the front,a new master cylinder and brake booster was also fitted.
    I was told brakes had "been done" but no more than that. Now the brakes work really good and pull up straight, in fact I'd say they work better than my Counties brakes but...... when the car is reversing the brakes don't seem to work, on a slight incline it's even worse. Is it because they are newish brakes ??
    Also the handbrake doesn't seem to hold, so I can only assume that didn't get touched when the brakes were overhauled. It seemed to work okay when we drove the vehicle home, but since then it went "boing" and hasn't worked properly since.

    I'll get them looked at when I take the vehicle in for repairs, but I'm just curious why they don't seem to work in reverse

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    Your Rover (if the brakes are original) has a leading and trailing shoe on the rear wheel and two leading shoes on the front wheel. Leading shoes grip much better when contacting the drum.

    When the car is going backwards the leading shoes become trailing shoes, so in the explanation given above, only one shoe is leading and the three others are trailing. In practice this means that your great big heavy Rover, only has two really efficient shoes trying to stop it when reversing (one on each side of the rear axle) hence the difference in performance.

    A cheap and effective upgrade is to put front backing plates and brakes on the rear axle,

    Cheers Charlie

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    Thanks Charlie,

    Though if you upgrade the back brakes to front brakes, do you then have to do something to the master cylinder to change the proportion of front/ rear brake power?

    Cheers,

    ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben SIII View Post
    Thanks Charlie,

    Though if you upgrade the back brakes to front brakes, do you then have to do something to the master cylinder to change the proportion of front/ rear brake power?

    Cheers,
    ben
    No you use the same master cylinder, however you must put RH front on the LH rear and LH front on RH rear. Otherwise you will end up with eight leading shoes and no trailing shoes and virtually no braking in reverse.

    He front/rear proportioning is obtained by the relative inefficiency of what's now the rear "double trailing" shoes.

    It is quite acceptable to use 2 1/2" front brakes (4 cyl 109) on the rear with 3" on the front, but a friend has 3" wide front and rear with excellent results.

    Further improvement can be obtained by increasing the boost assistance with a larger booster diaphragm.

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    Make sure that the pads are actually fitted correctly too.

    My brakes were pretty weak going in either direction and I found out that the PO had fitted trailing shoes in place of leading and vice versa.

    The give-away would probably be that you cant adjust them properly either.

    Land Rover FAQ - 109 rear brakes

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