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    Fuel & Tuning 2.25l

    While spending some free time in the Northern Tablelands area I met a guy with a very original Series III LWB Hardtop with only 90,000kms on the clock. Conversation and inspection revealed that he had fitted a new Zenith carby, new spark plugs, new HT leads and had the valve guides replaced. However he was concerned about blowing some blue smoke (more pronounced apparantly when the vehicle is on a side slope) and a recent lack of power on hills.

    Although I haven't worked on Series Landys for quite some time, I offered and subsequently fitted a new set of ignition points and reset the timing for him. A test run revealed a much smoother engine with easier/faster accelleration up to about 80 or 90kph but very little improvement on the hills. This problem of dying on the hills has not been evident until recently. The motor is one of the smoothest and quietest for a 2.25 that I have experienced and observations indicate that the mileage is genuine.


    The questions the owner has are:
    1. Should he be running on straight unleaded or should he be using an additive?
    2. What are the next steps in detecting /solving his lack of power on hills?
    3. Any ideas regarding the blue smoke?
    Check tappets and maybe a compression test were my thoughts but I'd be interested to hear from those AULRO members who are more familiar with the standard 2.25l Series motor.
    Roger


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    blue smoke is usually oil burning. If its running ok have him check the crank case venitilation setup. That doesnt discount a bad valve stem seal but you wouldnt expect that if the guides were done.

    If its had the valveseats replaced normal unleaded is fine if it hasnt then running a valve saver additive is generally a good idea and in a pinch a small amount of diesel will do the trick (bout 100ml to a tankfull but you'll need to experiment) in a pinch.

    its a series 2.25 what power? In seriousness the timing could be a little retarded and the mix too rich.
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    1. Unless doing continuous freeway driving, standard unleaded is suitable. Just check for exhaust valve clearance regularly, and fit hardened valve seats when necessary.

    2. Lack of power without missing is most likely to be ignition timing. This may be either static timing or problems with the vacuum advance. A compression check would rule out other problems, and tappet clearance should be checked. Also check throttle linkage adjustment.

    3. Blue smoke, if most apparent after idling, will be valve stem seals. There are two other possibilities. One is glazed cylinder walls, which would also also explain the power loss (compression check may solve that) the other is a fault with the antipollution gear. Exactly what is fitted will depend on the model, but if the crankcase vent valve is stuck, it may be sucking oil fumes into the intake manifold, giving the smoke, and extra air may weaken the mixture causing lack of power.

    Note that there may be more than one problem.

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    Thanks for the prompt response and suggestions Dave, I'll pass your advice onto the owner (I've suggested that he register on AULRO) and probably knock on his door again after I return from a spot of trout fishing today.

    Timing is currently set to 9deg BTDC - no pinking when under load in 3rd gear on hill - would you suggest advancing further?
    Idle mixture adjustment could be leaned off a little but I'm unaware of any other adjustment to lean off the mixture.
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    Thanks John for your valued advice and suggestions (you must have been responding as I was answering Dave) - especially point 3 which could very well be 'on the money'.

    I'm sure the owner will appreciate the advice and will be amazed at the speed of the responses.

    Thanks again.
    Roger


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    9º BTDC might be a bit far, 'the book' says for 90-96 octane fuel use 6º BTDC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isuzutoo-eh View Post
    9º BTDC might be a bit far, 'the book' says for 90-96 octane fuel use 6º BTDC.
    Forget about what the book says. On these engines, timing lights and settings are nearly a waste of time, apart from giving you a place to start. With all the wear points it is best to do it by ear.

    Loosesn the dizzy, and With the engine running, slowly advance the timing listening to the motor. It will increase in revs, then it will start to slow/run rough. Retard back to just before peak revs, and that is your timing set for that motor. Then check your vacuum advance is working.

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    Another possible cause for the power loss not mentioned - stuck centrifugal advance, or badly worn distributor.

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    6 degrees is also the static set point and as CC pointed out is only a starting guide.
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    "In a Landrover the other vehicle is your crumple zone."

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    Thanks all for the continuing advice.

    As I always used to do, I actually pulled the dissy right out when I replaced the points - I find it easier to work on and check when it is on the bench. The shaft had very little wear and the vacuum advance was functioning normally.

    I used 9deg BTDC static setting as that is what I had found in the past to be pretty close. After the foregoing comments though, I might try CC's method plus a test for pinking while under load.

    I still think that there is a problem with the anti-pollution gear or the closed crankcase ventilation that needs investigating.

    Not sure what the next few days hold but may get the opportunity for another crack at it.

    Thanks again, I have forwarded the earlier responses to the owner and have given him a link to this thread but don't think he uses the computer very often.
    Roger


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