Thread: Stage one swivel hubs

Originally Posted by mikek

I'm in the process of fixing a few oil leaks and tiding up the railko bushes, it seems the bushes and pins are not readily available , what have others been doing to get going again.
My plan was to buy some ORKOT and rebush the old bush housing and then either repin the existing pin or machine a whole new one

Have heard of taper rollers top and bottom any one done this

thanks MIKE

I hadn't realised that the pins & Railco bushes are different from a Series III to a Stage I ? I had to look up Orkot but it seems a similar material to the Railco bush material.

AXLE TOP SWIVEL PIN LAND ROVER SERIES 3 STAGE 1 109 V8 FRC1942 | eBay

https://www.famousfour.co.uk/new_par...b_sec=rkbushes

FRC 1930 - Railko Bush and Housing Assembly, Series 3 109 V8



Colin

here is a railko bush to suit L/Rover Serise 3,V8 3.5ltr model.Genuine Railko-Bush Housing&Thrust-Fibre washer | eBay

I did see those I also saw the price, there was also a company in the uk making new housings pins bushes ect $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The pins are bigger on the v8 and shorter

Yes, the space inside the swivel had to be increased to allow room for a CV joint instead of the cross and bearing universal used for the previous 25+ years. The different bits are hard to find (or expensive) because relatively few Stage 1 Landrovers were built.

I am about to try putting stage one CV,s into a series to go with the LT77.
I bought new Chrome balls and the CV,s seem to fit in them OK. Its the top Railco housing hanging down that looks to be the problem.
To fix this I am considering going to bearings top and bottom as mentioned. It works in a Disco so why not here.

Keith

Bearings top and bottom worked on the first Series 1 Landrovers as well - but there is a good reason why they went to friction bearings to provide some damping right at the swivel.

I think that replacing the top bush with a bearing may well be viable provided that all the linkages are kept in top condition (tie rod ends, spring bushes) and suspension is not lifted and oversize tyre not fitted and tyres are well balanced. You may find it necessary to adjust the caster angle to prevent shimmy, but with leaf springs this is easily done by using wedges.

The difference with the disco is that sideways movement of the axle is directly prevented by the panhard rod, where on the series this is restricted only by the springs - and deflection of one spring by a bump alters the steering angle, potentially setting up a shimmy.

Originally Posted by mikek

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My plan was to buy some ORKOT and rebush the old bush housing and then either repin the existing pin or machine a whole new one

Have heard of taper rollers top and bottom any one done this

thanks MIKE

On my 80" I had to make new swivel pins because I converted the axle to Railko, rather than bronze bushes, which were original. I used EN26 in its unhardened state.

I would be wary of roller bearings as well; the first 80" had them and the handling became so alarming, Rover changed to bronze to try and get some steering damping,

Cheers Charlie

The stage one Railkos are not as deep as a normal series three, so the pins are shorter as well. Would not be hard to shorten the pins but getting the shallow railko housings is.
If one could get the Railko fibre bush part on its own , it could be stuck into the Stage one housing then trimmed to size.

Paddocks only list the one for series 2 and 3.
Railko Bush - Paddock Spares

Pegasus make them for the V8 FRC 1930 at 33 quid each , bottom thrust pad extra.
Series 3 109 V8 - Pegasus Parts remanufacture new Land-Rover bulkheads for Series models.