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    Gearbox Swap Series III - what to do before reinstalling?

    Hello All,

    Without a complete disassembly and check of all the components, what preventative maintenance can be done on an out of car Series III gearbox and transfer case before it is reinstalled in the car? Are there any 'must do' gaskets, or seals, or bearings that should be replaced while the gearbox is sitting on a bench?

    The clutch wore out on one of my Series III 109s. The vehicle had a Holden 202 motor fitted by the previous owner. When I bought the car the previous owner said that it jumped out of high gear when the accelerator was eased off and feathered while going along a flat road to keep to the speed limit. It also jumped out of high gear when the revs were backed off while going down small slopes like a mild hill descent. From one of the Sticky threads on the Series Forum this indicates misalignment in the conversion. I have read the sticky thread and I will follow its very detailed instructions about how to check and fix the misalignment. The sticky can be accessed through clicking on BEFORE FITTING A HOLDEN ENGINE CHECK ALIGMENT FIRST

    I have a replacement gearbox that was not previously working behind a Holden motor. I would just like to know what I should or could be done to this unit before it is reinstalled into the vehicle.

    Another of my Series III is a stock standard 2.25 litre diesel and its clutch needs replacement. The diesel's gearbox is still in the vehicle and will hopefully remain so. Could someone please let me know what in situ work such as replace gaskets,bearings or seals should I do on the gearbox after I split it from the clutch?

    The old gearbox that came with the Holden converted 109 will live in storage and will be rebuilt. I am in the fortunate position of not being in a hurry to rebuild this old gearbox.

    Kind regards
    Lionel

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    I'd completely strip and inspect it before re-installing, otherwise you'll possibly be pulling it out again.
    The jumping out of gear 'may' be due to misalignment but it could easily be something else.
    Replace all gaskets and seals and anything else you find.

    Lots of other things to check.....
    Are the synchro clips intact ?
    Are the synchros badly worn ?
    Are teeth damaged ?
    Are bushes or bearings worn ?
    Etc. etc.......

    I've only stripped one gearbox to replace synchro clips. In the process I found a bearing that had rusted and wouldn't have lasted long. Plus a gear where the surface was breaking down.
    Apparently the previous owner had spent a lot of money getting the gearbox overhauled so the synchros were like new. I did find one chipped tooth but it was minor.

    I printed the gearbox overhaul pages from the Haynes manual, laminated them and used them in the workshop while stripping the box.

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    And while you're at it you might as well....And for the next few years your Land Rover will be a pile of parts on the floor .
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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    I'd completely strip and inspect it before re-installing, otherwise you'll possibly be pulling it out again.
    The jumping out of gear 'may' be due to misalignment but it could easily be something else.
    Replace all gaskets and seals and anything else you find.

    Lots of other things to check.....
    Are the synchro clips intact ?
    Are the synchros badly worn ?
    Are teeth damaged ?
    Are bushes or bearings worn ?
    Etc. etc.......

    I've only stripped one gearbox to replace synchro clips. In the process I found a bearing that had rusted and wouldn't have lasted long. Plus a gear where the surface was breaking down.
    Apparently the previous owner had spent a lot of money getting the gearbox overhauled so the synchros were like new. I did find one chipped tooth but it was minor.

    I printed the gearbox overhaul pages from the Haynes manual, laminated them and used them in the workshop while stripping the box.

    Isuzu C240 powered Series 3


    Colin
    Hello Colin,

    Thank you for the extensive and informative reply.

    I was hoping to avoid deep diving into the bowels of the gearboxes. Both Steam Wally and Geoffrey Crocker have very good YouTube series about working on these gearboxes. See: Land Rover Series 3 Gearbox Overhaul - Part 1 - YouTube for Steam Wally and for Geoffrey Crocker's videos please see Land Rover Restoration Part 2 - Gearbox 1/2 - YouTube

    I like your idea of laminating the pages from the workshop manual. If my memory serves me correctly you also had a very good thread on AULRO about working on these boxes too.

    From what I have learned from the combination of all these excellent sources, I was just going to throw caution to the wind. Cross my fingers that the replacement gearbox could just have a new gasket or some easy to access seals/bearings installed superficially as preventative maintenance and all would be good. You know, exercise my optimism. Some people manage to get away with stuff like this all the time. Draw on the 'Luck of the Irish'.

    Kind regards
    Lionel

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.S.F. View Post
    And while you're at it you might as well....And for the next few years your Land Rover will be a pile of parts on the floor .
    .W.
    Yes B.S.F, you have hit the nail firmly on its head.

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    B.S.F. and Colin are spot on in their various replies. I also have a 109 in pieces, along with a D1.

    Apart from misalignment, as Colin says there are many causes. In another life, in my Olive Drab IIA days, the general stuff that was thought o cause jumping out of gear included weak or broken detent springs, a fairly easy job in car, or worn/damaged synchros, worn/damaged main or intermediate shafts or both, worn bearings, thrust washers, etc. I would imagine that a Holden conversion misalignment would only exacerbate these conditions.
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