Toyota to replace the V8

[DeeJay]

Yes, I know this is a Land Rover Forum.
But, as a LR Owner, don't you just get a bit sick of being treated as the "poor cousin" by yota owners. You know, that "sympathetic" or "I don't understand why you don't own a Toyota" attitude.
Heck, my Defender just did 20,000 klm trouble free towing a 1600kg camper..and it's just ticked over 200,000klm. In Port Hedland I thought the alternator was failing ( it wasn't) and the Sparky there paid out big time about how useless Land Rover were in designing a vehicle with the battery under the seat. I simply said maybe they pinched the idea of getting the battery away from the engine heat off Mercedes Benz.
Anyway, I for one want to share some responses from Toyota owners at the announcement. If nothing else it will vent some steam off.

Mark
June 21, 2019 at 11:32 am

Let me assure you, as a former 2x 200S owner, the V8 diesel is very easy to become unattached from.
I’d go as far as to say, good riddance.
That engine is to Toyota what the Edsel was to Ford.
It might have looked like a winner on paper, but will stand as the one that Toyota should have known better and fractured its reputation for engineering. But then that is also true of the latest HiLux diesels too.
Dust ingression, injector failure by 150k, low mounted turbos, terminal coking up, outlandish parts prices and a design where any routine maintenance is counted in hours rather than minutes.
It should have been a winner but was a dud. Just ask the mining industry and local govt who aren’t buying them.
The LR 3 litre V6 Ford diesel had the same outputs but had to work harder. The Toyota was a lazy engine ripe for future performance upgrades.
200S sold and will still sell in large numbers here for the caravan and horse towers because it’s has achieved such status. It’s seen as the ‘safe bet’ even though it isn’t if you keep one over 90,000km.
And while it is a very capable off roader, if that’s what you want to do with a $85-$125k vehicle, there are better all round choices than this.
Fed up with all of the Toyota costs and miserable engine longevity, we bought a Patrol Y62.
It is a stunningly awesome vehicle and outperforms the 200 in every respect bar fuel consumption around town.
But with their price differentials and TCO, we’ll still be ahead financially after 12 years of owning The Big Nissan than the Toyota.
And loving it!

Brian Murray
June 21, 2019 at 10:38 am

Ask anyone who regularly has to work on the current V8 Diesel engines, and they will tell you what a poorly designed piece of rubbish they are. Dropping this engine from the Toyota range will be seen by many as a positive move and, depending on how good the replacement is, may actually bring Toyota into the current century. It has a lot of catching up to do though – Toyota diesel engine technology is many years behind the Europeans.

Paul
June 21, 2019 at 10:23 am

The right way to go,all the knockers will be back.Other brands have had V6 diesels that are just as powerful,and way more economical than the V8 in the cruiser,and just as good if not better at towing.If the new cruiser follows the Discovery 4 with electronic air suspension,even just on the rear,that will improve towing markedly.It also needs a good 8 speed auto to catch up with the competition as well.Remeber when the V8 first arrived many knocked it,but it has sold very well.
The new 300 will no doubt be a winner.

Dan
June 21, 2019 at 10:20 am

“providing the power to cover long distances of any condition easily, and the capacity to tow 3.5-tonne vans without straining”
Wow, rose coloured glasses much?
First off you don’t need “power” to cover long distances .
Secondly I wouldn’t say a vehicle can tow it’s maximum capacity “without straining” considering in this case that there is roughly only 400kg of payload left available once you are at that point.
While they are good trucks, they aren’t the be all and end all.
They are very expensive relics of a time when displacement was the answer to engineer’s problems and emissions control was not the known issue it is now.

[scarry]

Their sales tell a different story....

Sure its an old engine,developed over 15 yrs ago.

I know a few that have had no issues at all,done well over 200 000K,with not one repair.

There are knockers of all brands.

LR definitely have had theirs(knockers) for many years,strange they have said themselves, they are benchmarking the new defender on the LC?

Lets not have another Toyota bashing thread pls.

Oh,now where is that popcorn......

[travelrover]

Yes, I know this is a Land Rover Forum.
But, as a LR Owner, don't you just get a bit sick of being treated as the "poor cousin" by yota owners. You know, that "sympathetic" or "I don't understand why you don't own a Toyota" attitude.

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Hi DeeJay

Interesting read there. Always good to see the other side!

On your point above re the sympathetic comments..,, I was refueling my 300Tdi at the Corner store (Cameron Corner) in 1998 and the original owner asked me why I don’t drive a land cr@&&er. I simply said because everybody else does. He thought about it for a little while and said good point, never thought of it like that!

[trout1105]

There have been No Major changes to the 79 Series and the Hilux for over 10 years and they are still selling like hot cakes, They also retain their value which is something LR really struggles at.
If they are a PIS like the OP thinks then all the miners, fishermen, farmers and recreational users of Toyota products Must be stupid, This I doubt very much

[Tombie]

There have been No Major changes to the 79 Series and the Hilux for over 10 years and they are still selling like hot cakes, They also retain their value which is something LR really struggles at.
If they are a PIS like the OP thinks then all the miners, fishermen, farmers and recreational users of Toyota products Must be stupid, This I doubt very much

All the miners are getting rid of them.
Most Recreational users move the new ones on pre-100k
And fishermen use 79s because its all they have to choose at the moment.

The biggest problem fleet are the Toyotas - the reason for their Mining popularity is simple - there was no choice and there was such a ridiculously good price offered.
Mining fleet spend a lot of time being repaired and serviced.

you can not compare fleet buying with quality - they are mutually exclusive when chosen by accountants.

And Yaris sell like hot cakes too... So do little Kias and Hyundais... Doesnt make them a reliable and good beast - just popular.
Look at any 4wd thing - like King products - cheap arse crap, but popular - especially with the Yota crowd.

[101RRS]

My brother has a 2014 200 series Sahara and it is a fine vehicle - my RRS drives better but is down to personal preference. The main issue with the 200 series is it poor fuel consumption, particularly when towing and as a result my brother is trading the 200 for a HSV Chev Silverado - we wait to see how that goes.

I dont think the Toyota TDV8 is a dud engine, just not as good as it could be - the twin turbo is good but the single turbo is a bit asthmatic and most Toyota owners consider the last of the straight 6 turbo diesels are a better engine than the single turbo TDV8.

Garry

[rar110]

The Toyota brand has some valuable advantages. The V8 200 and 70 series, and Prado/HiLux/Forerunner vehicles seem to be very satisfying for owners.

My own experience of a recent breakdown in Roma, repeated earlier experiences, that dealers and other independent mechanics don’t really want to even look at a Land Rover.

The Land Rover on/off road driving experience is so much more satisfying. But I don’t have any doubt that Toyota put a lot more effort (understandably they are a bigger company with a big reputation to protect) into QA production design.

I think Toyota diesels are also challenged by increasingly stringent pollution/emissions requirements and customers expecting a Camry like driving experience.

For example the 3.0 diesel injectors seem to require servicing and the new 2.8 diesels have a DPF which has thrown Toyota owners.

[ozscott]

I think fuel economy only get us so far when comparing LC to LR. It only takes one (...And it will happen) gearbox failure in a D3/4/RR to fail and the running costs are well back in favour of the LC. Early on 200 had issues will oil use and I understand that they need injector replacements and maybe new injector pumps at 160,000k?? But apart from that the 200 seems like a battle tank. No they don't drive as nicely as a Land Rover but they certainly have other attributes.

Cheers

[Homestar]

There have been No Major changes to the 79 Series and the Hilux for over 10 years and they are still selling like hot cakes, They also retain their value which is something LR really struggles at.
If they are a PIS like the OP thinks then all the miners, fishermen, farmers and recreational users of Toyota products Must be stupid, This I doubt very much

No major changes to the Hilux? You’re joking right? It’s like saying there were no major changes from the D4 to the D5. The current model and previous model are chalk and cheese to each other, I’ve had both as company cars so can tell you how different they are. From engine, gearbox and most of the chassis being total new, so is the interior and most importantly the seats. Tow capacity also updated. New model isn’t proving to be half as robust as the previous model though despite it being much more comfortable. They are 2 very different vehicles both in spec and how they drive. Saying they are basically the same for the last 3 1/2 years would be correct.

[Homestar]

So do little Kias and Hyundais... Doesnt make them a reliable and good beast - just popular.

With Hyundai offering 5 year warranties (soon to be 7) and Kias offering 7 years (soon to be 10) it makes them incredible value for money and I’m sure the OEMs wouldn’t offer such warranties if they were unreliable **** boxes. Having both Hyundai’s and Kias in the family fleet I can tell you they just seem to go. Mates Kia Carnival had its first breakage a few weeks back - it’s 8 years old with 200,000 Km on it and is shown no love other than servicing. The window winder in the back broke on one side - he was gutted. 😆