Thread: S.A.D.F Series 111 S

Correct Keith, it is a wheel winch. The SADF used them extensively on the Series III and IIIS.

Most of the military IIIS vehicles had galvanised chassis ex factory. Is yours one of them?

Some pics of the Jerrycan holder.

No this does not appear to be galvenised.
Interesting that they made them the old way with 4 pieces welded along the corners not the 2 piece clamshell type a normal series 111 would have.


Do you have any drawings of the wheel winch, or photos of these vehicles in service pulling the trailer etc?

Keith

Originally Posted by 123rover50

Interesting that they made them the old way with 4 pieces welded along the corners not the 2 piece clamshell type a normal series 111 would have.
Keith

The clamshell type chassis was not used in SA other than in the RRC's manufacture. I would imagine that the tooling cost would have been prohibitive with the 110 on the way.
Did the Stage1 have a clamshell? We did not have the Stage1 here at all but I suspect that the IIIS was nothing but a Stage1 with a different drive train.

I have some pics of the wheel winch here somewhere which I'll dig out for you. As for pics of military vehicle towing a trailer....well that was srticktly forbidden, thus the distinct lack of SADF photos. I have had some declassified and will check what is there.

Yes the Stage 1 was clamshell.
Note the different crossmember also.


I was browsing other forums and someone asked for pics of SADF vehicles.
There was a distinct lack thereof.
It was said the sqaddies were searched for cameras to ensure this.
Your declassified pics would be a bonus

Keith

Originally Posted by JPC

My issues with the lr-mad article:

The vehicle designation is Series IIIS.....not R6 as many plonkers here in SA (not South Australia!) still call them.
My research of many years has not turned up a 2.25 petrol engined IIIS. A 2.25 will not fit on the Santana bell housing unless an adaptor is used and that would have meant extra production costs. None of the IIIS workshop or owner manuals indicate a 2.25 petrol engine either. The Series 3 with 5 bearing engines were still available after the introduction of the IIIS, but who in their right mind would buy the older model unless there was a huge price difference, which there wasn't. I was told that some dealers added the IIIS decals to the series III just to try and get rid of them.
The last Series IIIS was sold in 1991, according to the Auto Digest, an authoritative vehicle data publication here at the time.

Enough of that. The common overheating problem of the R6 engined Land Rovers was also prominent in the Austin Marina, but not at all in the Rover SD1, all running the same engine.

Keith, about the rims. The Series IIIS had unique rims......6mm offset and 5.5 width as standard.

The military version of the PUP had the spare wheel on the bonnet or in the back. When on the bonnet...the hole in the load box front was covered with a plate and the bracket hole in the tub-front was not there.

Regarding the illustration, whats on the bonnet?
With the spare behind the tub bulkhead are they Pioneer tools or something?

Keith

Ha Keith, here are some hard to find ones you may be interested in just kiding. That trailer on the forward control looks like iy could have a diff & tail shaft.
A bit more on those X6 motors , you need to make sure you wind back the timing chain tentioner before disconecting the chain or it will all end up in the sump & also you don't want the chain to come off the bottom wheel because what can happen is the chain comes up behind the wheel & gets jamed . I speek from experance, hell of a job getting the chain back on the wheel. These were not a nice motor to work on when they were in the tasman , Kimbley's & P76's.

Yes, the trailer is a Rubery Owen powered trailer driven from the transfer box of the LT95 in the 101 Forward Control.
Uses the same drive as I have in the 6x6 to drive the rear axle.
The powered trailer was not popular as it tended to tip over the 101 on sharp corners.
K

Hi Keith

Apart from the gearbox X-member position and the c-section, what else is similar or a major difference between the IIIS and Stage1 chassis?

Yes, pioneering tools, a spade and pick on the bonnet, larger than the infantry personal issue, about 75% the size of the garden variety.

The IPC was compiled by Leyland for the Army and the drawing of the wheel winch is unfortunately pathetic. It seems they tried to copy the dish of the rim and pass it off as a winch. I'll look through the Series III IPS when I can lay my hands on one and hopefully there will be a better drawing.

My stash of photos does not include a IIIS with a trailer. I will have to visit DoD Archives and look through their stuff. The trailers commonly towed with this truck included a 1200kg cargo, 1270kg generator and a water or fuel bowser of 845lt capacity IIRC.