I've been a maintenance fitter for 20 years and the one thing I've learnt is the more machines work the more they break,thats the way it is and the way it always has been. Pat
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I've been a maintenance fitter for 20 years and the one thing I've learnt is the more machines work the more they break,thats the way it is and the way it always has been. Pat
very true Pat,Quote:
Originally Posted by PAT303
but my point is why if they are ment to be a work vehicle, 3.5t cap. as an example, are more than the odd one failing well before the designed service life when being used as a work vehicle and not just a car or tourer............. and no not all were driven badly and run into the ground......
That's the problem. Land Rover haven't made a decent work vehicle for decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by uninformed
"Design life" keeps being used here... a definition of the term follows
so failures before are perfectly normal as they are with any vehicle. With so much outsourced by manufacturers now, the companies are in the suppliers hands regarding quality. Yes i know everything is checked but only in batches and i know not all components are equal...Quote:
The design life of a component or product is the period of time during which the item is expected by its designers to work within its specified parameters; in other words, the life expectancy of the item.
The design life of components often is denominated as a mean time between failure (MTBF), which tells the user that they may expect the average component to last for the specified time. Note, though, that an MTBF rating is no guarantee that any single example of the product or component will not fail before the mean time specified.
i guess another important factor here is that the landy (defender etc) is designed around a primarily hand built design, a design that hasnt really changed for years, because it works. The toyota however is built by machine, therefore has to have the tolerances to be built by machine. They really are 2 different beasts..
Question is that when you throw the d3 & D4 plus the rangies in... is reliability and strength still an issue? Plus landrover have always (in recent years) been well ahead of the competition regarding technology, which probably sometimes hasnt done them any favours!
At the end of the day.. a vehicle will break down. doesnt matter what brand.. and as long as you are happy with it... and happy to fix it.. thats all that matters.
just my waffle..
Steve
I spoke to an Army mechanic last week. He says within they love the td5's as they have several that have past the 500k mark (and that's hard miles too). The only problem they ever have with them is oil in the loom.
What car does he drive? A defender :)
Registration numbers would give an excellent idea of how many vehicles are still on the roads.
Afterall, no-one pays registration for scrap.
Yes, but it does not take into account the substantial number (both Landrover and Toyota) unregistered but still in use on farms etc. I agree though that it would be a good indicator, although to get a real picture for Australia you would have to include all states and territories plus Defence Force and government registrations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougal
John
Hasn’t this topic made for a passionate response!! . Anyway, all cars can be broken, but I’m sure Land Rover could do so much better. Not so much in reliability but PRICE!! I looked into a brand new Defender tray back to replace my current Ute, only to find $52000 buys a standard starter kit!! I’m simply not spending that sort of money on a car that is not that different in construction to a series 3. I know there’s 1000’s of little technical differences but compared to other vehicles in that price range, it’s in another class, they seem to rely on customer loyalty, like Harley Davidson did. They should be a LOT cheaper, if Land Rover Defenders cost about $25000-$30000 new, they would be everywhere. It’s up to Land Rover, Toyota’s getting up there in price, LR could offer a much cheaper and simpler unit, like a work wheel borrow range!!
Does farm use really count as "still on the road"?Quote:
Originally Posted by JDNSW
They cant do it... I was reliably informed that the Defender is the most expensive model in the LR line-up to actually produce...Quote:
Originally Posted by stage one