Thread: 3.9 to 5.0 litre

Originally Posted by rovercare

Your ****ty rover motor has no timing control, no knock retard, no closed loop, **** ports, slipped liners, cracked blocks etc, they are far from a great thing........yep you can fit aftermarket management, then you loose decent cold start, all the correct idle ups for A/C, roll to stop etc and your fuel economy is CRAP either way

No offence meant, but are you sure you still care about Rovers?

Almost sounds like your well over working on those ****ty rover motors with their **** ports to me given the number and tone of your comments.

If I was reading this website (as I originally did before deciding to buy one) to try and find out about Land Rovers and I came across your repeated comments I must admit I'd think twice about what I was getting myself into. Especially given the comments are coming from a bloke who seems to know a lot about Land Rovers and appears to be well respected.


Just a thought...

cheers,
Terry

The only problem is that Rover V8 engines are, always were , and still are absolute crap engines by todays standards . Will someone tell me why our latest incarnations from landrover have 500FWHP and better fuel economy ? Hasnt anybody looked under the bonnet of the Latest FORD Falcons ? Seen that engine and Gearbox somewhere else ?

I'm actually quite amazed at where this whole discussion has gone and the tone of it given that this is Aulro and not some other Japanese orientated 4x4 website where they enjoy bagging Rovers more then anything else.

Sure I have needled a few people by pointing out the irony and or contradictions in a number of thier comments and bringing up about Ford V8's being better then Holdens, that was always going to stir the pot, but it was all meant in fun.

Getting back to the original discussion, some bloke asked 'what it would take to put a Holden V8 in a Rover. I took it he asked this not for any other reason other then to find a cheap way to repower hs aging D1. This discussion has turned into a debate about horsepower and who has the biggest dick.

I brought a Discovery, knowing they are not fast or powerful, but they are really good off road compared to nearly every other 4x4. I spoke with a Landy mechanic before buying and he said to me, 'either your a Land Rover man or your not, meaning either your prepared to accept the fiobles most Land Rovers have and like tinkering and improving, if not buy a vanilla Landcruiser' he said.

I brought a Disco, two actually, and really enjoy them. I now consider myself to be a Land Rover man and I accept the strengths and weaknesses my Disco's have and I like the idea of building up my Disco to my tastes and needs as I can afford it.

Sure I'd like more power and chances are I will at some stage do something about it. But I see no point in putting **** on my Disco's or anyone elses because they don't have 400 hp and aren't very economical and often aren't that reliable. In fact that they are the way they are in some bizarre way actually increases the enjoyment I get from them as it gives me something to look at improving and playing with.

And something even more bizarre I believe, it kind of rubs salt into the Cruiser, Patrol owners that what is considered to be a slow less powerful Rover can be so much better off road then their so thought of far superior 4b's.

Most but not all people who own D1's or D2's own them because they can't afford a new Rover or any other vehicle that is around the same new buy price for that matter. So these are the vehicles we buy and can afford and they have strengths and weaknesses, bt remember they are no less then six plus years old now, some are nearly twenty years old.

I for one accept what they are and appreciate the fact they aren't vanilla motoring. If I want 400 hp and better economy in my 4x4 I will go get a loan for $100,000 plus and buy one and then I'll sit and look at it because I won't want to get it scratched or dirty going off road. And then I will wonder why I have a 4x4 at all.

By the way Ford 289's are still better engines then those unreliable 308's or those crappy slow 253's. And who in their right mind would own a useless slow piece of rubbish Rover engine? Oh that's right ...I would!

Have a nice day.

cheers,
Terry

Originally Posted by TerryO

No offence meant, but are you sure you still care about Rovers?

Almost sounds like your well over working on those ****ty rover motors with their **** ports to me given the number and tone of your comments.

If I was reading this website (as I originally did before deciding to buy one) to try and find out about Land Rovers and I came across your repeated comments I must admit I'd think twice about what I was getting myself into. Especially given the comments are coming from a bloke who seems to know a lot about Land Rovers and appears to be well respected.


Just a thought...

cheers,
Terry

You haven't heard my opinions on anything that comes standard in Japenese petrol form

Mate, 30 years of development will do that to an engine, that is why the LS series of engines are far better than the archaic rover motor, like I've stated, their is nothing wrong with liking your standard rover V8, if it makes you happy, then that's great, but for some people they are not what makes them warm and fuzzy on the inside, they like the idea of having an engine with 10:1 compression at zero deck, knock retard, tuneability etc....all in a factory package

If I was reading this website and was looking to fit an LS1, I'd be scared of by all the wowsers who've never actually had anything to do with engine conversions before....Fortunately, LOTS of people PM me for advice on the subject, as they are to scared to post in any of these threads, you'd be amazed at how many people behind the scenes are interested in things such as an LS1 into a rover...............just I have a big yap and speak my mind

Anyhow, as stated, if engine conversions aren't for you, then that's fine, but don't knock it, till you've tried it

Originally Posted by TerryO

I for one accept what they are and appreciate the fact they aren't vanilla motoring. If I want 400 hp and better economy in my 4x4 I will go get a loan for $100,000 plus and buy one and then I'll sit and look at it because I won't want to get it scratched or dirty going off road. And then I will wonder why I have a 4x4 at all.

cheers,
Terry

See that's the joy of it, you can have 400HP in your disco you love, for a far lesser figure than 100k

We are talking about a 5.0ltr holden engine,not an LS1.I knock engine coversions on the basis that I can't say to people that they should spend huge amounts of money on a vehicle worth 2-3 grand. Pat

Originally Posted by rovercare

If I was reading this website and was looking to fit an LS1, I'd be scared of by all the wowsers who've never actually had anything to do with engine conversions before....Fortunately, LOTS of people PM me for advice on the subject, as they are to scared to post in any of these threads, you'd be amazed at how many people behind the scenes are interested in things such as an LS1 into a rover...............just I have a big yap and speak my mind

Anyhow, as stated, if engine conversions aren't for you, then that's fine, but don't knock it, till you've tried it

Fair enough your comments about people wanting info on fitting LS1's etc I'm sure is 100% correct, I know they are great engines I've owned a few.

If there was such a thread I'd read it from beginning to end and I bet I'd find it very interesting as well. Who knows such a conversation if based on facts and not a dick measuring competitoin might even convert me.

I'm not really interested in 400 hp in my Disco, I want to use it as a good off road tool and a high perf motor would I'm guessing just break things. I like the idea as I've already stated many times about wanting more ponies but only enough to do what I need plus a couple of extra while keeping it reliable and useable.

I like the idea of a slightly tweaked 4.6 mainly because I like the idea of keeping a Rover a Rover not a hybrid. Just as I wouldn't put a Chev in an old Ford or vice versa. But that is me and I accept my opinion or tastes aren't the same as everyone elses.

That is a shame if people are worried about what someone might say on a website if they have their say or want to ask a question that might not fit into the norm. That is what I have always found great about this website, people hve their say and discussions are usually open and frank and people go out of their way to assist each other.

Anyway thank you for responding to my comments.

cheers,
Terry

TerryO , you know so little about engines its embarrasing ! My point about the Foulcan engine is that the latest Jag engine and Gearbox in the latest Rangies are a direct steal of the Ford engine used here in OZ in the Foulcan. As for a old 289 , you must be joking !!! The 289 dissapeared in 1968 never to rear its ugly head again , around the same time the first 308's were coming out (the manufactures at that time claimed 240fwhp for the 308 and 190fwhp for the 289 !!)