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Thread: my D2a TD5 is a pile of dog poo!

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    my D2a TD5 is a pile of dog poo!

    not happy jan!
    i cant stop my D2a using diesel like a funnel
    a tank is only worth 450klm to me round town, hwy or towing.
    over the past 12months its gotten worse, was 550klm/tank..
    and i also still cant get rid of the 730-810rpm engine miss/dip at idle.
    this is the same for the factory ecu mapping and a BAS tune.

    so far ive replaced...
    MAF, OEM
    CAS, OEM installed with and with out the spacer
    MAP, OEM
    AAP, x2 both OEM, 1 from a working TD5 and 1 from a wreck.
    BOOST MODULATOR, OEM even tried it bypassed.
    INJECTOR HARNESS, OEM modified for oil ingression.
    second set of known ''good'' injectors. (yes coded with nanocom)
    NEW OEM ECU (no oil at ecu plug or in old ecu.)(security done with nanocom)
    the head has just been skimmed .006'' and the valves re seated due to broken plastic head dowls
    i had compression of 240-260psi per cylinder (TD5 i tested was 320psi)
    tomorrow i will do another compression test and compare.
    piston protrusion was on average .505mm = 1 hole gasket(same as original)
    the head had its ports cleaned up, not quite match ported as did the turbo flange's.
    the exhaust manifold has had the webs removed and been machined.
    now im getting over boost, im hitting 1.40bar.... ive adjusted the rod out so much its a dog to drive under 60kph.
    ive also fitted a known ''good'' turbo and wastegate actuator.
    and still the problems remain...
    the timings correct and the injector preload is too.
    its not using/making oil or water.
    fuel pressure is 4.0-4.3bar.
    before the head was done my oil test showed 5% diesel dilution and a high reading of sillica (ultra blue gasket was used previously)

    i have a good TD5 in the drive way to compare with and all the figures and values shown by nanocom are 99% the same D2 to D2!
    both auto, both modified simmilar. mine has 255 70 R16's the other has 235 85 R16's 30 000 k's differance in odo readings, both EU3 motors. the other got 836klm to the low fuel light last tank.

    my auto fluid and filter was done 5000k's ago, still looks clean dosnt smell burnt and there are no visible particles in the oil. the auto ecu has also been changed!!!
    mine dosnt shift as well as as the other, mine hangs in first a little to long and can hesitate on shifts. ZF australia wont return my phone calls or answer my emails... great customer service...******...
    and the other 2 auto shops tell me it cant be tested??? WTF..

    so apart from replacing the speed sensor in the auto and the coolant temp sensor...there isnt too much i havnt done.

    so if ANYone has ANY ideas im hear waiting for your input.

    oh and the drive train has been looked at, ie, brakes dragging, bearings, tail shaft etc...all perfect.

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    No leaks of fuel in tank gas or the bay of the engine ? Are the turbo manifolds well connected and in good condition ? If there is a leak on manifolds, turbo starts to overboosting.

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    is them compression tests within spec, if it gets 260 and u tested another at 320?? thats alot off difference.

    another thing way way out in the air, is your fuel sender reading correct??? and maby its not using fuel your just getting a wrong reading, tho from empty to full how many Ls gose in

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    You've looked everywhere else, time to look at the auto again - when I had the green RRC with the 4hp22, I experienced shift problems somewhat similar to yours. Turned out the o-ring between the filter and valve housing was split, which allowed air to get into the system. This may have a follow on effect of aerating the oil and reducing the power output of the TC. (Of course I could be wrong - there's only one way to find out.)

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    I'm waiting to see if disconnecting the MAf brings my economy back... the disco doesnt get used that much now tho.. initial runs indicate improved performance and economy... so will probably get a new MAF... i know yours is new but have you swapped it for a known good one? also what about your egr? is it removed?

    You shouldnt be getting overboost at 1.4bar? especially on a d2 with wastgate modulator? something very sus there.. my deefer i have been playing with and i have a bout 10mm of thread showing on the rod and im only just into overboost.. with no modulator...

    Is there any signs of leaks anywhere ie fuel pressure reg... where it could be 'disposing' of deisel?

    Rough shifting auto as tombie has suggested before could be from the MAF so i would check it again... just to be sure.... even with the MAF disconnected our disco shifts ok... not great but ok..

    sounds like your having a hell of a time!

    Thanks

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5teve View Post
    I'm waiting to see if disconnecting the MAf brings my economy back... the disco doesnt get used that much now tho.. initial runs indicate improved performance and economy... so will probably get a new MAF... i know yours is new but have you swapped it for a known good one? also what about your egr? is it removed? ive got 3 OEM mafs and a chineese one, i dont bother with the cheapie as its really stuffs up the auto the other 2, one is deffinatly rooted and the last one is simmilar in performance to the new one. no egr system at all, been missing for a while now.

    You shouldnt be getting overboost at 1.4bar? especially on a d2 with wastgate modulator? something very sus there.. my deefer i have been playing with and i have a bout 10mm of thread showing on the rod and im only just into overboost.. with no modulator... 1.4bar = 20.3psi thats about right for fuel cut, my defer ran 24psi with a boost box.

    Is there any signs of leaks anywhere ie fuel pressure reg... where it could be 'disposing' of deisel? not a leak to be seen, the pressure reg is new and a new gasket was fitted when the head was replaced, i even have had the fuel cooler apart, cheaked and replaced the o rings.

    Rough shifting auto as tombie has suggested before could be from the MAF so i would check it again... just to be sure.... even with the MAF disconnected our disco shifts ok... not great but ok..
    i know all about shift probs and the effect mafs have on the auto, unplugging the current new maf makes no differance to shifting, economy or performance, the only differance is the default value kg/hr figure given in the ecu

    sounds like your having a hell of a time!

    Thanks

    Steve
    cheers phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by langy View Post
    You've looked everywhere else, time to look at the auto again - when I had the green RRC with the 4hp22, I experienced shift problems somewhat similar to yours. Turned out the o-ring between the filter and valve housing was split, which allowed air to get into the system. This may have a follow on effect of aerating the oil and reducing the power output of the TC. (Of course I could be wrong - there's only one way to find out.)
    thanks mark, i knew about this issue, but it would have been addressed when i replaced the filter. the oil sample i took the other day was after the 10min drive home from work, the oil while HOT deffinatly wasnt airated.

    cheers phil

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    You shouldnt be getting overboost at 1.4bar? especially on a d2 with wastgate modulator? something very sus there.. my deefer i have been playing with and i have a bout 10mm of thread showing on the rod and im only just into overboost.. with no modulator... 1.4bar = 20.3psi thats about right for fuel cut, my defer ran 24psi with a boost box.
    But a deefer doesnt have a modulator... the disco does.. so you shouldnt be able to get to full boost at all surely? 232kpa sounds familiar for the max you should see on a disco?

    Thanks

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by stig0000 View Post
    is them compression tests within spec, if it gets 260 and u tested another at 320?? thats alot off difference.
    no idea? no one knows what it should be or has any documentation to prove the right figure (unless you can dig something up at work?) i spoke to gemini deisel and berrima deisel and both said around 400psi for 19.5:1 static comp ratio. the differance was mine at 260psi was b4 i did the head, ie head had shifted on the broken dowls and the compression was leaking into the next cylinder ON ALL 5 CYLINDERS, the rover mechanic i had look at it to confirm said hed never seen anything like it

    another thing way way out in the air, is your fuel sender reading correct??? and maby its not using fuel your just getting a wrong reading, tho from empty to full how many Ls gose in
    ive kept a log book from the time i bought the car, i know exactly what the k's are. my 90 with all the fruit averaged 13.3L/100 over 40 000k's and it did twice the work the D2 did, weighed 2.2t had 33's and 200kw...

    cheers phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5teve View Post
    But a deefer doesnt have a modulator... the disco does.. so you shouldnt be able to get to full boost at all surely? 232kpa sounds familiar for the max you should see on a disco?

    Thanks

    Steve
    i know, and the disco still dose it with the modulator bypassed. my point is that it will over boost and cut the fuel wether the modulator is hooked up or bypassed and the wastegate rod is set to factory spec or now..with the rod 15mm longer than factory

    cheers phil

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