Superior Engineering Superflex arms for Rovers.

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Originally Posted by Presto

The main arm is 32mm wide
The Bush Housing Tube is 40.6mm wide
The Bush is 50mm wide

Clear as mud? :)

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Thanks Presto!

Bush Housing Tube = metal bush welded to arm, this is 40.6mm wide and looks to be about the same as the outer shell of the Nissan bush

The Bush = Nissan bush, this is 50mm wide at the crush tube.

Ok, so finally the Nissan bush measurement comes out :D And no, the Nissan bush wont fit in a early axle mount. AFAIK those mounts are 45mm wide (in between) or maybe even less?

So I wonder if you could just get some Nissan bushes and turn down the crush tube in a lathe??? Of coarse the bracketry for the SF arm would not bolt straight up either as its designed for the later, wider axle mount. But it could get some early vehicles running the Superior non SF arms with a better bush and still gain some flex...

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Originally Posted by uninformed

Ok, so finally the Nissan bush measurement comes out :D

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Sorry, I assumed you had read post #250 above! ;)

Either way, for the flex, the older narrower mounts will probably need more room than the bush housing tube (40.6mm) will provide!?

As mentioned above, it's up to SE whether there's a market for the older style or not.

The dimension inside the radius arm mounts on the axle is:

• 47mm for early RRC and 110
• 51mm for Nissan Patrol

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Originally Posted by Presto

Sorry, I assumed you had read post #250 above! ;)

Either way, for the flex, the older narrower mounts will probably need more room than the bush housing tube (40.6mm) will provide!?

As mentioned above, it's up to SE whether there's a market for the older style or not.

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no, you were typing as I was, and got in just before me. My response went to the next page so I never saw yours.

Late model (1998) 110

RA at bush 44mm wide
Bush outer shell approx 44mm wide
Bush crush tube 54mm wide
Axle mount 54mm (in between)

Since I have been talking about the SE arms having Nissan bushes, I must say looking at them closer they appear to be their own made bush (holey type) I take it they are the same external/internal dimensions as a Nissan GQ/GU and could use those if need be?

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Originally Posted by uninformed

Yes Wayne, I had my LR measurements wrong. The later type being approx 50mm wide at the axle mount.

But I still dont see how that changes what I said. The main body of the arm does not change thickness (AFAIK), so it comes down to the metal bush welded to the arm and the Nissan bush itself.

I can not see how making the metal bush wider than the Nissan bush is of any advantage, so agian that brings us back to the Nissan bush.

How wide is a Nissan bush? WIll it fit in between the early type axle mount?

Again, I have never questioned the strength of these arms.

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The outer shell of the Nissan bush is wider than the 32mm width of the arm,this is the reason that the arm have the added width added at the mounting points of the bush.So the arm is not wider than the bush,it is made to be flush with the outer shell of the bush.

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Originally Posted by uninformed

Late model (1998) 110

RA at bush 44mm wide
Bush outer shell approx 44mm wide
Bush crush tube 54mm wide
Axle mount 54mm (in between)

Since I have been talking about the SE arms having Nissan bushes, I must say looking at them closer they appear to be their own made bush (holey type) I take it they are the same external/internal dimensions as a Nissan GQ/GU and could use those if need be?

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Might need to look a little closer Serg.
They are genuine Nissan bushes;)

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Originally Posted by uninformed

Ok, ill try and join the dots since it seems to be missed :D

If the Nissan bush would fit the early LR axle mount, then all Superior Engineering have to do, is make a different weld in metal bush for the early vehicles.

I would have thought that for correct bush installation, the crush tube in the Nissan bush be the part that is pulled up hard in the axle mount. NOT the arm itself. The arm is not going to be square to the housing in cross articulaton so needs some room "twist"

So, again, is the Nissan bush the same, narrower or wider than the arm itself? If they are not narrow enough to fit a early axle mount, then not only a new metal weld in bush would have to be made, but a whole new suspension bush would have to be sourced or made....

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Serg

The whole idea of arms for earlier models has been discussed,and unfortunately there is no other way than different width arms and custom made bushes,along with the inherent problems that that brings,would need to be manufactured.As I have previously mentioned,I have 1 vehicle with the early setup and one with the later setup so have been able to reference all the required measurements and have had discussions re these matters,although not at any great length at this point in time.

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Originally Posted by LowRanger

The outer shell of the Nissan bush is wider than the 32mm width of the arm,this is the reason that the arm have the added width added at the mounting points of the bush.So the arm is not wider than the bush,it is made to be flush with the outer shell of the bush.

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Thats what I was getting at, meaning that if the 32mm arm was narrow enough then it just the metal bush and suspension bush that woud need sorting. At that point I did not know the max width of the Nissan bush at crush tube or the width of the arm at bush. But it certainly isnt the 50mm I thought you were saying it was :D

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Originally Posted by LowRanger

Might need to look a little closer Serg.
They are genuine Nissan bushes;)

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I have googled Nissan bushes and seen them for sale on Ebay (genuine) they did not have the holes in them. On SE own site they list a bush for their Nissan RAs that is $84 for ONE! I figured that above normal genuine Nissan price.

I could well be wrong :confused:

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Originally Posted by LowRanger

Serg

The whole idea of arms for earlier models has been discussed,and unfortunately there is no other way than different width arms and custom made bushes,along with the inherent problems that that brings,would need to be manufactured.As I have previously mentioned,I have 1 vehicle with the early setup and one with the later setup so have been able to reference all the required measurements and have had discussions re these matters,although not at any great length at this point in time.

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So at even 32mm main body, you feel this too wide for the 47mm axle mount when articulating? I would have thought that enough clearance. Bringing us back to just the metal bush and the suspension bush to sort...but still an issue if nothing off the shelf?

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Originally Posted by uninformed

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I have googled Nissan bushes and seen them for sale on Ebay (genuine) they did not have the holes in them. ...

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AFAIK the Patrol radius arm bushes were solid rubber in the early GQ and changed to 'holey' bushes at some later stage. I don't know what year the change was made, or if it was only when the GU came out, but 'holey' bushes are stock in GU's.

In my bushie I have a stock GU arm on one side and a SE Superflex arm in the other side, and the bushes in both look identical to my eye.

Similar with Landcruisers, solid rubber in 80 series, 'holey' in 105 series (their holes aren't as large as Nissan.