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    Why such low compression?

    We all know the original landrover 4 cyls were extremely low compression. So they could run on terrible fuel and not suffer detonation etc.

    But why later on (like the last of the rover V8's) were they not able to overcome that and run similar compression to japanese 4 cyls?

    Stepping up from 8.35:1 to between 10-11:1 would have given them better economy, better torque and better power. But was there something in these engines that precluded that? Hot-spots or poor fuel distribution that would have some cylinders in danger?

    Has anyone built a petrol rover V8 with 10-11:1 compression and run it successfully in a rover (i.e. not a TVR)?

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    Something in the back of m mind tells me it was to do with the head design. I think some TVR's were running up to 10.5:1. There was something somewhere about some E85 Heads that enabled you to up the compression considerably.

    My 4.6 Rangie is running 9.55:1 on GEMS EMS but i only use 98RON Fuel.

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    longevity and the vehicles always maintained the ability to be used anywhere with 3rd rate fuels (well up till the later 3.9s anyway)

    if you want to keep them in pulp you can push 12:1+ out of them, same as the japs
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    the minimum mine could be is 9.7,,
    and I asked for a good slice off the heads as well to try and get me to 10-1
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    Back in the early 70's the Rover 3500S manual sedan had 10.5:1CR and went like the clappers. Later on emission control tightened and I suspect nitrous oxide emissions would have been way too high. With the advent of better engine management (Thor) the last few engines could get away with higher compressions. Then the end of the RV8 came and multivalve engines now rule the roost. I doubt if any of the tweaked LRV8's running around would pass a stringent emissions test.

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    As far as i know it is head design.I once had a classic rr 3.5 efi rebuilt and had 9.1 compression pistons,as high as you could go on standard unleaded.Europe had 3.5,3.9 and 4.2 high compression engines but they had to run on premium.Dont forget these are basically very old designs.

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    My '98 D1 has a 9.35:1 high compression 3.9 in it, which is the original motor.

    It seems that it is a rarity, as bee utey says he's never seen one. Not sure how it ended up with a HC, maybe just because of it being one of the last off the line.....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post

    Later on emission control tightened and I suspect nitrous oxide emissions would have been way too high.
    I'm guessing ADR27a did this to a lot of petrol powered cars in the late seventies/early eighties.
    I remember Holden CR's were pretty low across the board.

    NOx is what killed off the TD42T in the Patrol here too.
    The intercooled version gave the old banger a few years reprieve (no more grunt stock, just cooler combustion temps = better NOx numbers) but as the Department for Heritage and the Environment here tightened diesel emission regs Nisssan couldn't do anymore with the old IDI engine.

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    my previous 83 "in vogue" RR had 9.35s from the factory and was more economical compared to the 8.13 engine i replaced it with, my fathers early sd1 had 10.5s from the factory and went like the shower of **** and was very economical to

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    Ah, yes. NOx emissions. I forgot that all the 10-11:1 compression jap engines I see have EGR fitted.

    The reason I started thinking about this, I was trying to estimate the torque curve of a small industrial petrol engine. Compression was about 6.5:1 (sidevalve). Max torque was about 65Nm/litre and efficiency was appalling.
    I started looking at all the other comparable engines and found an almost straight correlation between torque per litre and compression ratio. 6.5:1 getting around 65 Nm/litre max, 8:1 getting around 80Nm/litre and 10-11:1 required to get 100Nm/litre. Obviously the 10-11:1 engines aren't side-valve.
    Now I always knew the effect was there, but I was really surprised to see it so linear and obvious.

    This had me thinking that bumping the compression on a petrol by 10% (provided your fuel can handle it without retarding the ignition timing) would deliver approx 10% more power and torque with possibly a 10% reduction in fuel use (if you aren't using that extra power/torque).
    The rover V8 looked like an easy target. But I wasn't able to find any good examples on line of people who'd done it.

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