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    300tdi timing cover

    G'day all,

    I just bought myself a 97 300tdi disco, and i'm in the middle of doing the timing belt (among other things) hoping for a bit of information...

    In the timing cover where the outer crankshaft dust seal fits I have a bearing... which means the dust seal won't fit...

    was this a modification to the timing covers that replaces the dust seal? or do i just need a different seal? as the bearing looks to be a sealed one.

    Cheers,
    Bryce

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    Hi broonski
    Not to sure where I found this info,It was in my Defender file when the belt was replaced
    All early 300Tdi engines suffer from a problem with cambelt (timing belt) failure. This is due to some sort of misalignment in the pulleys and it can be corrected by one of two modification kits which were produced by Land Rover in 1997/98 – which kit you need depends on the vehicle age.
    Full details for fitting the kits can be found in a Land Rover Technical Bulletin, number 0008, dated 25 March 1998. If attempting to fit a kit yourself you should read this bulletin first as it contains important fitting information particularly for the option 2 kit which requires some modification to the timing case behind one of the new pulleys. The bulletin is available from RAVE CD’s or via the GTR online technical resource at www.landrovertechinfo.com which is a subcription service.
    The general rule of thumb is that any engine up to some time in 1997 may suffer the problem, and that early engines (1994, 95, and 96) will require the “big kit” (option 1), while later affected engines (late 1996 and 1997) will require the “little kit” (option 2).
    All VIN numbers referred to in this post are the last eight digits of the full 17 digit vehicle VIN number, e.g. for SALLDHMF7MA123456 the number you will require is MA123456. VIN details can be found on the VIN plate of the vehicle, usually on a plate inside the windscreen, and stamped into the chassis near the steering box.
    The cut off point for affected vehicles is:
    Discovery – WA748935
    Defender – VA129096
    RR Classic – MA664120 (after this the 300Tdi Range Rover was discontinued)
    After that point the modification was factory fitted to all vehicles and later 300Tdis do not have cambelt problems. The 300Tdi engines remained in production until late 2006 for some export markets with no sign of any cambelt issues.
    Parts Information
    Kit No 1 is “STC4095K Timing belt repair kit - Option 1” and contains a replacement timing cover, timing belt, crankshaft gear, tensioner, idler, injector pump bracket, side cover, gaskets, dowels and fasteners.
    Kit No 2 is “STC4096K Timing belt repair kit - Option 2” and contains just the timing belt, crankshaft gear, tensioner, idler, gaskets and fasteners.

    STC4095K – Kit No 1 – is fitted to vehicles in the following VIN ranges:
    Discovery: MA081991 (start of 300Tdi production) to TA200000
    MA500000 to VA542370
    TA700000 to VA711273
    Defender: MA939976 (start of 300Tdi production) to VA101256
    RR Classic: MA647645 to MA664120
    STC4096K – Kit No 2 – is fitted to vehicles in the following VIN ranges:
    Discovery VA542371 to VA 558898
    VA711274 to WA748935
    Defender VA101257 to VA129096
    RR Classic Not applicable – RR Classic was out of production by this time
    According to the bulletin, when fitting Option 2, an ERR7143 Seal Crankshaft Front should be fitted to vehicles in the following VIN ranges:
    Discovery VA548520 to VA558898
    VA716697 to WA748935
    Defender VA107351 to VA129096
    RR Classic Not applicable – RRC out of production
    The last information I had suggested that Land Rover no longer supplied the kits as a Genuine Part but I know that as at early 2007, they were still available from Bearmach in the UK under the same part numbers. They may also be available from some other suppliers. I can also say from just having looked at one today that the Bearmach kit comes with a cast crankshaft pulley which is a better and stronger arrangement than the pulley supplied by Land Rover in the original kits – the original type had the lip spot-welded onto the front of the pulley which was prone to failure on occasions.
    Checking a vehicle
    You can tell whether a vehicle has been modified by checking the crankshaft pulley. If the crank pulley is plain (no lip to retain the belt on the front or rear of the pulley) then it is original and needs modification. If the crank pulley has a lip on it, then some sort of modification has already been done. Likewise, on an unmodified vehicle the idler pulley will have a lip on each side, this is replaced by a plain idler pulley in the kits.
    Vehicles with the modification fitted under warranty by Land Rover should have a dab of yellow paint on the timing case at least 2cm square, just under and to the right of where the aircon compressor is (or would be) fitted.
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    Bryce,
    Does the ID of the bearing seal on the OD of the crank?

    I have not seen a bearing in a case cover but not to say they dont exist.
    I also dont understand the rationale - I doubt that the crank nose flexes any perceptible amount, and a bearing mounted to an aluminium cover plate is unlikely to control it but hey -
    As long as it seals pretty well on the crank is there a problem with letting it be.

    Steve
    '95 130 dual cab fender (gone to a better universe)
    '10 130 dual cab fender (getting to know it's neurons)

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    zealand - Wow! That pretty well answers my question i think... According to the VIN I have the model with the updated timing cover. And no need for the dust seal.
    Thank you very much! Extremely helpful!

    Steve - I didn't see the reasoning behind it either... the ID of the cover bearing fits the OD of the crank pulley (the cast bit that fits into the timing cover)
    I've seen new timing covers for sale on ebay and the like which have the bearing in them.

    Back together she goes!

    Thanks gents!

    Cheers,
    Bryce

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