The R380 box is extremely sensitive to the oil... i've changed 3 types of "alternative" oils in mine in less than a month cos the geashift was sh*t especially from cold then i bit the bullet and bought the genuine MTF94 / STC9158 which made the box to work as a new one... use only that oil in the gearbox and you'll not regret it.
Discovery Td5 (2000), manual, tuned
2007 Discovery 3 SE7 TDV6 2.7
2012 SZ Territory TX 2.7 TDCi
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I dont think so cos after i filled it with MTF94 it changed gears like a dream on the first drive
Discovery Td5 (2000), manual, tuned
2007 Discovery 3 SE7 TDV6 2.7
2012 SZ Territory TX 2.7 TDCi
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- a warning from Adolf Hitler
"If you don't have a sense of humour, you probably don't have any sense at all!" -- a wise observation by someone else
'If everyone colludes in believing that war is the norm, nobody will recognize the imperative of peace." -- Anne Deveson
“What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others.” - Pericles
"We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” – Ayn Rand
"The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts." Marcus Aurelius
I dont contest your experience but i was too fed up with that hard gear change to wait untill eventually some additive pack kicks in(i didnt even know that), maybe the fact that it's very cold here in winter (below -20*C) had some effect as well cos to select 1'st and 2'nd gear untill it warmed up was a real nightmare, the oils i've tried were as follows in this order: Castrol Syntrans 75W85(this was the worst), Mobil Delvac XTP 75W80, Red Line 75W80 mtf, all recommended by different oil dealers as being the suitable alternative for STC9158 which was not on anyone's stock, the last Red Line was the best of them but still not enough to please me as the genuine stuff did.... i'm sure now that i'll not put anything else than STC9158 in my gearbox.
Discovery Td5 (2000), manual, tuned
thats exactly the reason the others are slow until warmed up...
in my neck of the woods your trying to cover your butt in the the hottest temps as it is very rarely below 0*C but can be above +40*C ambient and thats where MTF and ATF etc arent too flash and you hear your box rattling etc etc.
LR specs in the user manual reckon ATF is good from -50*C to +50*C which is why they specified it i imagine and went to MTF94 when there were failures etc as MTF had a better additive package.
any comparison should be relative to your environment and people should probably state that when discussing this subject
2007 Discovery 3 SE7 TDV6 2.7
2012 SZ Territory TX 2.7 TDCi
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- a warning from Adolf Hitler
"If you don't have a sense of humour, you probably don't have any sense at all!" -- a wise observation by someone else
'If everyone colludes in believing that war is the norm, nobody will recognize the imperative of peace." -- Anne Deveson
“What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others.” - Pericles
"We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” – Ayn Rand
"The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts." Marcus Aurelius
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						Well , heard back from the man himself David Ashcroft. Unfortunately he wasn't able to provide any further insight as he did not have any experience wi the oils mentioned.
Email reply below.
Hi Chris,
Sorry but I am not familiar with these oils, we just use either MTF94 or a good ATF, they may be fine but I just have no experience with them,
Sorry we cant help further,
Kind regards
Dave Ashcroft
so no closer to any answers, looks like we are pioneers.
Cheers, Chris
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