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    Disco Drive Shaft

    After a gradual increase in driveline vibration a metal to metal screeching sound emerged. On inspection today the front front drive shaft universal joint is shot. (it is only 35,000km old) :roll:

    The disco is now temporarily in rear wheel drive after removing the drive shaft and locking the CDL.

    CJ and I will replace the uni next weekend.

    The Rave manual shows the front and rear unis out of phase by about 45 degrees but with no angle specified. What is the angle and how accurate does this need to be?
    Mahn England

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    have a look at this site mahn!
    have you been greasing the uni cross??
    with the right grease??

    http://www.4xshaft.com/techinfo.html

    if only i had found it when i was buildind me mud buggie, i might'nt
    have broken all thoes tail shafts.

    phil

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    Mark every thing before you pull it apart,
    Yokes to yokes, slip joints to slip joints and flange to flange,
    That way it will be in line when you put it all back together,
    the same way it came apart.

    Tip:: :wink: Line your grease nipples up on the same plane,
    When it comes time to greasing,
    you will only have to move the tail shaft once to find the nipples,
    (as they will all be in line).
    not 3 times, one for ea nipple

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    Thanks Phil,

    That is an interesting site.

    Neglect may have been my downfall but I suspect that a faulty u-joint may have been a contributor.

    The new drive shaft installed due to spline wear on the old displayed unusual vibrations after a vigorous trip through Duea NP. It may have been binding from new. Although I checked it 20,000 km ago and there was no play then.

    I have heard that greasing the u-joint is not always a guarantee as one of the four joints can remain "dry". Both ends of one of the "crosses" have failed. The other pair are fine.
    Mahn England

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    Thanks Hook,

    Good advice. Unfortunately in haste positions weren't marked so I will need to apply some grey matter (not to mention grease). [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]
    Mahn England

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    were the crosses removed from the shaft??
    it is very easy for a needle roller(just one) to fall into the end of the cap
    when assembling the cross, this will destroy a uni in no time flat.

    the cross has to move free when put together it shouldnt feel tight or notchy. to free up a newly installed cross you gently tap(with a copper hammer) around the yoke's. this sets the yokes back to normal. if it still feels notchy and stiff after this there is a problem.

    ive been doing uni's for years and have never had a failure.
    the ones in my disco are 220 000k's old, still the oe ones. i grease them regulary and there is not one bit of play.

    use a high temp moly grease, bearing grease wont cut it in a uni!

    phil

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    Thanks Phil.

    I am still puzzled by the out of phase angle A-B looks like 45 degrees:



    Any clues?
    Mahn England

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    ive been told that the front shaft has to be phased and the angle is 45deg.
    but why???
    buggered if i know, it will be something simple i imagine.

    phil

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    Originally posted by discowhite
    ive been told that the front shaft has to be phased and the angle is 45deg.
    but why???
    buggered if i know, it will be something simple i imagine.

    phil
    If you look at the diagram, the answer is there.

    Imagine that the unis are in phase. When load is applied to it during an up-cycle of suspension travel, the tops of the unis would both move in towards each other and bind easily. Having them out of phase would allow just one end to move in and limit binding.

    That's how I see it, anyway.

    Micka

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    as i expected! that makes sense.
    front shaft = short = greater angle.
    rear shaft = long= lesser angle.

    there ya go. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]

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