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    RRC ABS issue. Help please.

    Hi Everyone,

    I have a 94 softdash with a brake pedal that goes to the floor when it feels like it.

    I have bled the brakes following Rave. I used approx 2.5 ltrs of fluid and the brakes were good for about a minute. Mind you the vehicle was not driven at all. Its been on stands since I bought it.

    I can start the car up and the pump will run for approx 30 seconds and then shut off. I can hold my foot on the brake pedal for 15 seconds and the pedal will feel good. Then all of a sudden it slowly sinks to the ground. Lift my foot off and straight to the floor again. If I give it a few pumps the pedal goes firm again. It might be firm for a minute or so then the pedal sinks again. It cannot be driven in this state.

    When I was bleeding the system the manual says to bleed the lower front 4 nipples at the end of the bleeding process to bleed the master cylinder. What I found was I could bleed the inner nipple and eventually get all the air out. Then bleed the outer nipple. If I re checked the inner nipple the line was full of air again. This happened over and over again. Is it possible the master cylinder is sucking in air somewhere??

    Thank you.

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    Within the fluid reseviour there's a partition, and fluid must be on both sides of this.
    I've also had blockages at the bottom of the fluid reseviour that's restricted flow into the matter cylinder too...

    I can't be of much more help I'm sorry.



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    IMO you need a new master cylinder
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    Pull the abs unit out, place it in the bin, install vacuum booster and master cylinder😊

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    Quote Originally Posted by sierrafery View Post
    IMO you need a new master cylinder
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    This could be normal. Try it any modern car with ABS. My wife poogoe 407 brake pedal will slowly go to the floor if you apply constant pressure. Google it, it appears to be normal behaviour across a range of vehicle. Certainly it worried the crap out of me after I did brake work on the car (I'd never noticed it happens prior to that .... and had forgotten until you mentioned it above).

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    Thanks everyone.

    So the t piece above the rear diff is now leaking plenty of brake fluid all over the diff. I will fix it this weekend and see if that's where the air was being sucked in.

    I hate abs and how it feels during emergency braking and off road but I'm if I can fix what's there without spending much money I will deal with it.

    I will check all the filters that can be cleaned as the fluid was very dirty. I will update after I've cleaned the filters, fixed the leak and re bled the system.

    Cheers.

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    [QUOTE=DoubleChevron;2517988]This could be normal. Try it any modern car with ABS. My wife poogoe 407 brake pedal will slowly go to the floor if you apply constant pressure. Google it, it appears to be normal behaviour across a range of vehicle. Certainly it worried the crap out of me after I did brake work on the car (I'd never noticed it happens prior to that .... and had forgotten until you mentioned it above).



    This is not normal , I reckon your wife might want to take her car somewhere to get the brakes repaired , before she comes to grief, Google will probably tell you anything you want to hear depending on how you word it.
    Last edited by discorevy; 11th April 2016 at 09:44 PM. Reason: op posted answer while typing

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    This could be normal. Try it any modern car with ABS. My wife poogoe 407 brake pedal will slowly go to the floor if you apply constant pressure. Google it, it appears to be normal behaviour across a range of vehicle. Certainly it worried the crap out of me after I did brake work on the car (I'd never noticed it happens prior to that .... and had forgotten until you mentioned it above).

    seeya,
    Shane L.

    That behavior is NOT normal. If thats happening there is something wrong. The ABS does not bleed off pressure, it only pulses a particular brake unit in response to slippage input. At all times there should be constant braking available, even without vacuum assist, albeit much more effort required . There may be a faulty ABS unit though.
    Cheers Scott

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    This situation is definitely not normal. I can be sitting at the lights with a good pedal that has efficient stopping power then all of a sudden the pedal goes to the floor and the brakes don't work. The pedal might work well for 2 stops in crawling traffic and the the 3rd stop the pedal goes to the floor and the car barely stops.

    As I said earlier I'll update after I've fixed the leak and re bled it.

    Cheers.

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