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12th March 2006, 01:49 PM
#1
Disco 300tdi Leaking Lift Pump
I have a fuel leak from the lift pump (I think this is the cause). I changed the fuel filter about 1500kms ago (car has done 121,500kms) and I primed it using the lift pump.
I have searched the archives and it seems to be a common problem. To change the pump is it just a matter of unscrewing it from the block and putting the new one in? Is it that simple? There only seems to be a couple of fuel lines to it and access doesn't look too bad.
Also, when I primed it, I left the lever in the 'top' position - it seemed to click into place. Is this the wrong position - does it matter where it's left. I don't think it was leaking before I changed the fuel filter.
The car runs perfectly and there a no symptons other than the drips on the ground. It's not a lot of fuel as economy is still similar to what it's always been.
And lastly the Haynes manual says to prime with lift pump, but the genuine workshop manual says to just screw the new filter on and start the car - which correct?
Any help would be much appreciated - I don't really like the idea of leaking fuel around a hot engine (no matter how small the amount).
Thanks,
Peter
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12th March 2006, 03:00 PM
#2
Karcraft, comes with a couple of new olives as well.
I don't know about simple fit, as you said, it is straightforward, just a bit of a stretch to get your arms in there.
Pump arm should be down when there isn't a hole in the gasket, fuel pressure and gasket should put it in that position.
Don't know about the priming thing, but most agree that priming is usually the last straw for a lift pump gasket.
Cheers
Simon
Last edited by abaddonxi; 8th April 2007 at 11:19 PM.
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12th March 2006, 03:41 PM
#3
Fuel leak
Howdy: To make life easier, give your engine a good wash with some degreaser - then wipe the problem area down. Then inspect to see if it really is the pump,or the fuel line, or the filter or the return lines. All of these things (esp the return lines) can leak small amounts of fuel. A set of pipe spanners would also be a good idea when/if you have to undo fuel pipe connections.
Langy
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12th March 2006, 05:46 PM
#4
There is definitely no leaks around the fuel filter - completely dry.
I wiped my hand under the lift pump and I do get diesel on my fingers...but that's not to say it isn't seeping down there from somewhere else. The engine is reasonable clean, but I will clean it a lot better so I can determine what it is.
Also seems suspicious because I changed the fuel filter and used the lift pump to prime and I have read lots of posts that suggest never touching the lift pump.
I looked a little closer and it looks like I need to undo the fuel pipes from the injector pump and the injectors to have more room to work. Nothing special required here?
And what are these special spanners you soke of Langy? They just look like normal nuts?
Pete
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12th March 2006, 06:10 PM
#5
One more thing to ask...I only noticed the leak because I was at my parents house and the car was parked facing downhill (steep driveway). It doesn't appear to leak much at my house on a reasonably flat driveway.
It had a full tank of fuel and was facing down a steep driveway. Could this also contribute to making it leak more than if it was flat? It would help explain why I haven't ever noticed it before.
By the way, thanks for the help.
Pete
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12th March 2006, 06:46 PM
#6
Pete
Changing the lift pump is a pretty easy job. Make sure when you get a new pump you get the olives for the fuel lines then just bolt it into position. I had to replace mine when the fuel pipe from the filter fractured where it joins onto the body of the pump. There was a small crack at the base of the metal pipe where it actuallu joins onto the pump itself. When I noiticed it I had been on corrugated roads for a week or two. When I noticed it it was not just a few drops but a fairly steady stream with the engine running but I suppose it started small and got bigger.
As a side issue when I noticed it I was between Birdsville and Nocundra with no chance of getting a new pump. I did a dodgy repair with Quicksteel epoxy and it was still holding perfectly a month and a few thousand kilometres later when I got round to replacing the lift pump.
I haven't had to prime the system after changing a fuel filter, it's always started no problems.
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12th March 2006, 07:04 PM
#7
You should be able to test if the lift pump is shot by opening the bleed bolt on the top of the fuel filter and pumping the arm of hte lift pump. If it is working fine fuel should come out of the hole.
The arm of the lift pump should also have a reasonably positive feel to it.
Cheers
Simon
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12th March 2006, 07:09 PM
#8
Pete,
Be sure to check the fuel lines from the filter to the pump.
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12th March 2006, 07:15 PM
#9
The fuel lines all looked OK - but I can't say with 100% certainty they don't have a hairline split in them somewhere.
When I searched the archives someone mentioned they replaced one of them with a hose from Pirtek. All the fuel lines seem to be this hard black plastic stuff/hose - does anyone know if they can be replaced with a generic fuel hose of some sort from a place like Pirtek?
If I'm going to the effort of changing the pump, moving all those old pipes around might brake them anyway.
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12th March 2006, 09:14 PM
#10
Fuel leaks
Well, it was I that was rambling about using pirtek - as an emergency repair. Generally the store near me was useless for anything else, but then I had a reasonable hole in my fuel line, it was leaking from near the body mount.
If you need a replacement, find a 2nd hand LR one.
To undo the fuel line, it is better to have a set of spanners made for those sort of joins, I called them pipe spanners, their proper name is 'flare nut' spanners
http://www.diracdelta.co.uk/science/source...ner/source.html
A cheap metric set will do - make sure they go up to 15mm, that's the size of the nuts on the injectors (If in the future....). And, if you hold the pipe junctions with the appropiate spanners, they shouldn't crack.
It is of course gravity pushing fuel through the line under a little pressure from the fuel in the tank, and only then will you notice it leaking. When the engine's running it's sucking, and the injectors cope with a little air in the system. Maybe that's why you seem to have a little less power? Anyway, clean up the fuel side of the engine, and park on an incline for 5 mins - a clean pair of hands, rag and a torch will lead you to the culprit item.
And if you can't find the leak, PM me and I'll have a crack at it.
Langy
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