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  1. 27th August 2019, 07:16 PM #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by TB View Post
    You do see the conflict though, don't you?
    It's totally reasonable for outback drivers to want protection from animal strikes.
    It's totally reasonable for city pedestrians to want less-lethal vehicles hurtling around their suburbs.

    Like I said, fodder for another thread. I'm just trying to highlight that LR has their functional and technical design choices constrained by laws that benefit the vast majority of people in modern societies – those who live in cities. And you see the effect of those constraints in the discontinuation of the traditional Defender and in the shape of this new vehicle.
    Correction: Laws that protect the stupid, the foolish and the ignorant.

    Those that live in cities that choose to flout the same laws with regards to where pedestrians are supposed to be walking etc deserve the wrath of Darwinism.

    When I lived in the city I was in areas outside - let’s call them the Strike zones - for a significant portion of my week.

    Now I live regional and regularly head to the Capital.


    At which point should I accommodate those idiots who cannot obey road rules whilst walking like Zombies glued to phones and listening to music so loudly they have no awareness of what is going on around them?

    For interest sake, the pedestrian deaths in this region from vehicle strikes - no Bullbars..... taking someone’s legs and waist apart at 60km/h will do that.
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  2. 27th August 2019, 07:23 PM #12
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    Will be Retro

    Closer to home, a very close friend of mine in a People mover hit a Moron that decided to walk out from between 2 parked vehicles.

    She was doing 50km/h and sent him up over the front, breaking the windscreen and bouncing him over the roof onto the road.

    All this took place with her 2 young boys in the vehicle - they still talk of the man who broke the car and died.

    What wouldn’t have happened with a bullbar - he wouldn’t have gone over the roof, hitting the road (which was his final undoing).
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  3. 27th August 2019, 07:49 PM #13
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    Bull bars – passenger vs pedestrian safety

    Relocating from a New Defender thread hopefully with a bit of help from Homestar...
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  4. 28th August 2019, 04:59 AM #14
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    Done 👍

    Moved all the post about bull bars from the other thread - it may seem a bit disjointed because of this but a good idea to split this seperate topic out.
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  5. 28th August 2019, 05:57 AM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    Done 👍

    Moved all the post about bull bars from the other thread - it may seem a bit disjointed because of this but a good idea to split this seperate topic out.
    Well done, Now I don't have to read all the drivel and fantasizing over the new defender to follow this subject

    Pretty much every car I have ever owned has been fitted with some sort of roo/bull bar and I have had numerous encounters with various wildlife and stock on our roads over the last 5 decades and I have survived every encounter which I doubt would be the case if I didn't have frontal protection fitted.
    As for pedestrians, If you get hit by a car doing 60kph you are going to get hurt badly bull bar or not.
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  6. 28th August 2019, 08:15 AM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by TB View Post
    Bull bars are a tricky topic. They exist to cause bodily harm to the creature that your vehicle collides with, and in doing so protect you from some set of problems which range from inconvenience through financial cost all the way to actual risk of death being stranded in the outback with a disabled vehicle.
    Bar work does NOT exist to cause bodily harm to a creature.

    It exists so Suicidal creatures don’t do harm to the object it is mounted to.

    No sane person just ploughed down an animal out of choice.
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    Hitting a 500 to 1000 kilogram bullock with a passenger vehicle will seriously stuff your day ( and your car) bull bar or no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbjorn View Post
    Hitting a 500 to 1000 kilogram bullock with a passenger vehicle will seriously stuff your day ( and your car) bull bar or no.
    Only at pace. I’ve hit a couple after managing to wash off 60-70km/h.
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  9. 28th August 2019, 11:25 AM #19
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    Smartbars are a good option. They do absorb impact and return to shape. I can say this is true because our previous D1 had a Smartbar and I banged the corner into a post one day, bending it. It had moved back into shape within two days.
    So, you can protect a vehicle from animals without garroting pedestrians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Smartbars are a good option. They do absorb impact and return to shape. I can say this is true because our previous D1 had a Smartbar and I banged the corner into a post one day, bending it. It had moved back into shape within two days.
    So, you can protect a vehicle from animals without garroting pedestrians.
    That’s been completely disproven in a real strike. Where those bars did more damage to the structure behind them (and then tried to return to their previous shape).
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