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Thread: TD5 -Non Starter after overheat.

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    TD5 -Non Starter after overheat.

    OK, so its been done to death..but I figure others have had it happen.
    I just bought a Disco 2 - off a Diesel mechanic - ( who said he was too busy to swap out a head gasket) that had supposedly overheated and - he thought, shut down due to the fuel cooler overheating.
    It got tilt trayed home.
    He was selling it as having a blown head gasket. The oil is OK, but has signs of diesel dilution, and no milkyness in the system. He drained the coolant as a precaution.
    The thing is, it has a healthy crank over but not a peep of firing.
    Se the questions are-
    Would no coolant prevent it firing ( ie a sensor)
    Would a blown head gasket (I'm skeptical about that- more likely a porous head) be the reason?

    Thanks in advance,
    David

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    It won't shut down because of overheated fuel, it also won't shut down because of no coolant.

    It could definitely seize because of no coolant.

    Diesel in the oil is usually injector O rings but could be a cracked head.

    The only sensor that will stop it running is the CPS.

    If it has diesel in the oil it's possible it also has air in the fuel rail in the head... It won't start if this is the case.

    You can initiate a purge cycle by pumping the throttle 7 times with the ignition on so that the dash lights are on... If you can hear funny noises at the fuel pump or at the head, it most likely has air in the system.

    If you can't hear the fuel pump, it also won't start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shack View Post
    It won't shut down because of overheated fuel, it also won't shut down because of no coolant.

    It could definitely seize because of no coolant.

    Diesel in the oil is usually injector O rings but could be a cracked head.

    The only sensor that will stop it running is the CPS.

    If it has diesel in the oil it's possible it also has air in the fuel rail in the head... It won't start if this is the case.

    You can initiate a purge cycle by pumping the throttle 7 times with the ignition on so that the dash lights are on... If you can hear funny noises at the fuel pump or at the head, it most likely has air in the system.

    If you can't hear the fuel pump, it also won't start.
    What he said... except I thought purge only required 5 pumps.

    I usually default to the CPS as a good place to start, but I thought it triggered the MIL, so is that lit up?

    You've bought a non runner, so it's best not to assume that what you have been told is correct and just start at basics, otherwise you get lost down rabbit holes.
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    Thanks for the replies,
    The seller said he put a new fuel pump in- I can hear it running. but as Tins says, sellers can be a little short on truth, however he did fit a new fuel pressure reg module.
    I did try the purging- no luck. I just realised I have a Nanocom for a defender TD5, so I'll try it. Stay tuned.
    It cranks nicely, I would assume, even with a dodgy head or blown head gasket it would at least try to kick over?

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    Nanocom will be fine for the engine. I wasn’t trying to dis the seller but he could misremember.
    Yes the engine should at least try. Is the MIL lit?
    ​JayTee

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    With a new fuel pump and fpr might as well do injector seals and o rings and new harness and see if she goes

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    I ran the Nanocom through & these are the ones that Google doesn't explain much.

    Fuel temperature circuit - (current)
    EGR Vacuum modulator short circuit (intermittent)
    EGR Valve stuck open (current)
    Injectors 2,3,5 open circuit (current)

    Are any of these the non start cause?
    Thanks, David

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJay View Post
    I ran the Nanocom through & these are the ones that Google doesn't explain much.

    Fuel temperature circuit - (current)
    EGR Vacuum modulator short circuit (intermittent)
    EGR Valve stuck open (current)
    Injectors 2,3,5 open circuit (current)

    Are any of these the non start cause?
    Thanks, David
    Injectors open circuit-current will stop it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJay View Post
    It cranks nicely, I would assume, even with a dodgy head or blown head gasket it would at least try to kick over?
    Can you clarify? Are you saying it won't kick over or it won't start?

    If it won't kick over it certainly won't start!

    If that's the case investigate the starter or BCU.

    If it does kick over then it's not that (could still be immobilised though).

    If it does kick over but won't fire, investigate the injector open circuit, could be oil in the ECU plug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    Nanocom will be fine for the engine. I wasn’t trying to dis the seller but he could misremember.
    Yes the engine should at least try. Is the MIL lit?
    I'm not sure so did this video, Ign on, start, ign off ign on again.


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