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    Codes on Data plate for Australian Built 1970s Truck

    Hello All,

    Can anyone enlighten me of what the data plate code of CCW could be? As per the attached photograph, my eyesight tells me that there is an abbreviation of GVM before the number of 8400 lbs. My understanding is that GVM is the Gross Vehicle Mass. I am not sure why the lesser weight which I would interpret as either the Kerb Weight or the TARE Weight would have the letters of what looks like GVM next to it.


    To the right of the data plate it looks like a CCW of 12600 lbs.

    Would CCW be something like the Carrying Capacity Weight that could be the same as the Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) or Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM)?

    It would have been good if the data plate showed things like the Kerb Weight, or the TARE

    My guess is the the 8400 lbs is the same as the TARE and the 12600 lbs and the Gross Vehicle Mass is 12600 lbs.

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    If you assume CCW as Carrying Capacity Weight, wouldn't that be equivalent to NET weight, not Gross weight?

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    Is it a C or a G? GCW - Gross Combination Weight? Although I thought the term was Gross Combination Mass.
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    If I blow the pic up, and then look at the rest of the plate I think it it GCW. Ron, GCW is what it used to be called, but as weight changes due to certain factors mass is considered more accurate. ( Although, if those factors arise when you are towing then I think nomenclature would be the least of your worries. )

    GVM is the Kerb weight of the vehicle plus the payload. GCM is the GVM plus the maximum towed weight. If I am correct about the plate then Lionel's legal tow would be 4400 lbs or 2000 kg. It doesn't seem to mention whether that is braked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionelgee View Post
    Hello All,

    Can anyone enlighten me of what the data plate code of CCW could be? As per the attached photograph, my eyesight tells me that there is an abbreviation of GVM before the number of 8400 lbs. My understanding is that GVM is the Gross Vehicle Mass. I am not sure why the lesser weight which I would interpret as either the Kerb Weight or the TARE Weight would have the letters of what looks like GVM next to it.


    To the right of the data plate it looks like a CCW of 12600 lbs.

    Would CCW be something like the Carrying Capacity Weight that could be the same as the Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) or Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM)?

    It would have been good if the data plate showed things like the Kerb Weight, or the TARE

    My guess is the the 8400 lbs is the same as the TARE and the 12600 lbs and the Gross Vehicle Mass is 12600 lbs.

    Kind regards
    Lionel

    What is the truck Lionel?

    8400 lb is 3.8 tonne.
    So if that is tare it's a quite a big truck
    12600lb is 5.7 tonne.
    I'm guessing it's GVM and GCM

    My 130 is 1985KG tare (no I don't believe it either)
    3500kg GVM
    7000KG GCM

    Tony

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    If I blow the pic up, and then look at the rest of the plate I think it it GCW. Ron, GCW is what it used to be called, but as weight changes due to certain factors mass is considered more accurate. ( Although, if those factors arise when you are towing then I think nomenclature would be the least of your worries. )

    GVM is the Kerb weight of the vehicle plus the payload. GCM is the GVM plus the maximum towed weight. If I am correct about the plate then Lionel's legal tow would be 4400 lbs or 2000 kg. It doesn't seem to mention whether that is braked.
    Hi Tins.
    Sorry to nit pick.

    In light vehicles the GCM is rarely the GVM + Max tow weight.

    One certain dual cab it's not much more than the tare + max tow weight.

    My 130 is 3500kg GVM, 4000kg towing, but 7000kg GCM.

    Given it's a 300Tdi the GCM is probably a bit academic.

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    Hello All,

    The vehicle in question is from a special contract made for Telecom in the 1970s. It is a D-Line 1210 van body sitting on a 1310 chassis so the vehicle is four wheel drive. The C-Lines the earlier model did have the option of a 1310 four wheel drive van. The D-Line van was only available as the 1210 in two-wheel drive.

    My eyesight is not what it used to be and the angle of the plate is not in the easiest position to photograph either. Hence the not so great quality photograph. My apologies.

    My Dad started with the PMG and worked right through as a Telstra. When he worked as a Linesman he was issued one of these 'Linesman's' vans. My van was made in Victoria and spent its whole work life in Western Australia. It somehow found its way to New South Wales in later life and I got it transported to Queensland. All the interior of the van still wears the Telecom Gold paint.

    In service the vehicles were fitted with pneumatic trailer brake controllers.

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    That van looks familiar, Lionel.
    As John has said, GVW and GCW (W being weight) are the redundant terms, replaced by GVM and GCM, IIRC in the nineties or noughties.
    The manufacturer cannot/does not quote tare weights as they are almost infinitely variable due to various options and accessories fitted and different body types and builders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    That van looks familiar, Lionel.
    As John has said, GVW and GCW (W being weight) are the redundant terms, replaced by GVM and GCM, IIRC in the nineties or noughties.
    The manufacturer cannot/does not quote tare weights as they are almost infinitely variable due to various options and accessories fitted and different body types and builders.
    Hello Ian,

    Yes, that van should look familiar to you. I reckon it starred in your dreams ... well nightmares for a while too. I know that it took a while to find the sweet-spot on the trailer to tow it and how it challenged your Disco until its ride was sorted out. I took a while for it not to feature in my dreams after I was following behind you during the first part of the way home.

    So, the 8400 lbs in modern terminology would be the ... of the van?
    The 12600 lbs would be the GVM of the van? Yes/No if not what would it be related to in the modern parlance?

    Considering the back of the van is relatively light being fibreglass - what sort of weight would the bare chassis be? I am trying to calculate it to establish what wall thickness a 50 mm by 50 mm square hollow section of steel frame would be needed to build a rotisserie. Would 3 mm thick be enough of a safety margin or go one or two wall thicknesses more?

    The reason behind my posting the thread is that I am looking at a design similar to Archangel007's shown in Chassis Overhaul - Day 3. 9th January 2017, 11:17 AM Plugger and The Camel. However, the rotisserie used for a 2A Shortie chassis might need to be a bit more beefy to handle the chassis of a 1310 International. Photo accessed 31st August 2023 from, https://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachmen...220_150859.jpg. Anyway, Archangel007's rotisserie sure as hell does not look like an Autopro special!

    Kind regards
    Lionel



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