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    Third Party Workshop Manual

    I've got an L461 RRS. Being a newish model there is not a lot freely available info around but my understanding was I could get electrical and workshop info from TOPix after registering and paying a subscription. So I registered but after opening an account I get an email telling me my application won't be processed further unless I provide in PDF form

    a) A police clearance.
    b) Evidence of competency in safely de-powering, isolating etc. high voltage battery systems.

    A police clearance... what on earth is going on. Just looks like BS designed to impede / restrict access to vehicle repair information to me. Anyway, I won't be going further down that path with JLR.

    My question is, before coughing up $, has anybody used the services of this mob that supplies factory manuals or know anything of the quality (or not) of what they say they provide. Seems a little to good to be true.

    The procedure for obtaining this manual, created for your car, is simple and perfectly legal. Using the right to repair, we pay a subscription to Jaguar Land Rover, enter your car's series number (VIN), and get the exact files that fit your car. This 2024 New Range Rover L461 service manual is built exactly for your car, with one engine and one transmission.
    Factory Manuals - 2024 New Range Rover L461 repair manual
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    I became aware a couple of years ago of JLR's requirement for certification of appropriate training for electric vehicles when trying to obtain electrical wiring diagrams for the L460/L461 suspension/chassis system. The description of what your linked site does indicates that they can provide what JLR require and therefore are able to access the information. Assuming the price is USD, I would still be happy to pay the price if it included electrical diagrams as well as repair manuals as I find LR schematics and workshop manuals invaluable. The price is cheap compared with what my hard copy D2 manuals cost in 1999.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    ... I would still be happy to pay the price if it included electrical diagrams as well as repair manuals as I find LR schematics and workshop manuals invaluable. The price is cheap compared with what my hard copy D2 manuals cost in 1999.
    Curiosity got the better of me. I paid up, got an email from them saying after a 12-24h a down load link would be provided. After 5 days... crickets.

    Contacted them to ask 'where is my download link' and got a response along the lines -Steve (whoever he is) is sick, in hospital, requires surgery... gives us another week. Yeah sure, I think, scammers but resolved to wait a week then contact my bank to do a charge back a/c non delivery of services.

    Today I was given a link to download a ~23,000 page workshop manual for the L461. So it's seems they come through.

    Whether this is exactly what you would get if you could be bothered to satisfy the requirements to get a subscription to TOPix, I have no idea.
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    Good that is wasn't a scam and that you have at least something.

    Below is typical of how the various sections start for the Defender so I expect similar for the L461.

    PUBLISHED: 19-SEP-2019
    2020.0 DEFENDER (LE), 204-05
    VEHICLE DYNAMIC SUSPENSION
    AIR SUSPENSION CONTROL MODULE (G2423921)

    I would be sure to know if you just happened to send me the couple of pages of the suspension system wiring schematic for verification....
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    The "Files (new)" section could use a top up.... 23,000 pages might be a stretch though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    Below is typical of how the various sections start for the Defender so I expect similar for the L461.

    PUBLISHED: 19-SEP-2019
    2020.0 DEFENDER (LE), 204-05
    VEHICLE DYNAMIC SUSPENSION
    AIR SUSPENSION CONTROL MODULE (G2423921)

    I would be sure to know if you just happened to send me the couple of pages of the suspension system wiring schematic for verification....
    Closest I can find to what you have quoted is below, it looks a very similar organisation. Can't find any specific wiring schematic included.

    Published: 18-Feb-2022
    2024.0 Range Rover Sport (L1), 204-05
    Vehicle Dynamic Suspension
    Chassis Control Module (G3141259)
    2024 RRS on the road
    2011 D4 3.0 in the drive way
    1999 D2 V8, in heaven
    1984 RRC, in hell

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    My estimation is that you have the genuine JLR documentation.
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    Hi Ferret,
    Have you downloaded the "file" yet.
    Is it as Graeme described as "JLR" documentation,as I am about to get the "ewoke" manual and was wondering whether its worth it.
    There's a couple of other sites that have the manual but half the cost and am in two minds on which to go for.

    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by disco gazza View Post
    Hi Ferret,
    Have you downloaded the "file" yet.
    Is it as Graeme described as "JLR" documentation,as I am about to get the "ewoke" manual and was wondering whether its worth it.
    There's a couple of other sites that have the manual but half the cost and am in two minds on which to go for.

    cheers
    DG
    Yes, I have downloaded the manual, all 23000 pages of it and yes it is definitely genuine JLR documentation. Is it the entire documentation you would see when viewing JLR documentation through TOPix, ie is it 100% complete?

    There is some evidence it may not be. For instance, 'Section 205-00... Drive line System General Information' page 2458 makes reference to:

    For a list of diagnostic trouble codes that could be set on this vehicle, please refer to Section 100-00. REFER to: Diagnostic Trouble Code Index - DTC: Rear Differential Control Module (RDCM) (100-00 General Information, Description and Operation).
    I can find no reference to what is described above in Section 100-00 within the documentation supplied. In fact there is no list of DTC's and associated descriptions for any of the various systems described within the documentation supplied. There are no electrical schematics I can find either.

    Would be interesting to see what you get with other "vendors".
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    1999 D2 V8, in heaven
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    Maybe you should query the vendors about the electrical reference manual not being in what they provided.
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