Thread: New Korean motors not that brilliant!.

Hi Sumo
Jap diesels(and the Korean copies) get their go go from revs,they have no torque,the same applys to jap VS european trucks.I do firewood cutting with a mate as a cashie.He has a NA 4.2 80 Ser Tojo.There is a hill I always leave him for dead on with a loaded trailer.Last time we went out we took his tojo and my trailer.The same hill wich I get up in my TD5 Disco in fith at 75 to 80 ks he was down to 3rd and screaming the box off it @ 60ks.No wonder he cant keep up,no pulling power.Gees your trailer is heavy was his comment.
Andrew

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Hi Sumo
Jap diesels(and the Korean copies) get their go go from revs,they have no torque,the same applys to jap/european trucks.I do firewood cutting with a mate as a cashie.He has a NA 4.2 80 Ser Tojo.There is a hill I always leave him for dead on with a loaded trailer.Last time we went out we took his tojo and my trailer.The same hill wich I get up in my TD5 Disco in fith at 75 to 80 ks he was down to 3rd and screaming the box off it @ 60ks.No wonder he cant keep up,no pulling power.Gees your trailer is heavy was his comment.
Andrew

HA!!! The age old reply from a lesser vehicle owner; "gee your trailer is heavy" can also mean " I can't believe that little 2.5 litre 5 cyl engine dragging that 2 ton disco AND a laden trailer can pull like that!!AND use half the fuel doing it!"


Go the Landy, Andy.

JC

Problem is Justin
The same 80 SER with road tyres DID put a few Landies eqipped with lockers and good tyres to shame.Baz drives a grader all day so he has a real good feel for his machine and where its wheels need to be and are actually.Although he has little 4x4 experience he knew exactly where to put his,I was quite impressed,as were a bunch of others who nver once stirred him up for being a Tojo pilot.
Andrew

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Hi Sumo
Jap diesels(and the Korean copies) get their go go from revs,they have no torque,the same applys to jap VS european trucks.Andrew

Grin, grin. This is the reason most line haul truckies (and almost all road train operators) use North American power trains instead of European ones. In the small end of the haulage business it is price, price, price. So Kia and other cheapies have the market. Mid-range professional hauliers overwhelmingly buy Isuzu because they are a bloody good truck and have a low cost per ton/mile and excellent resale value.

The Kia, Datsun, Toyota, Mazda, Mitsubishi little utes/ tray tops are sold to people who may carry a tool box and their lunch most of the time, and very occasionally load them to capacity, so they tolerate the lack of performance. If you define a truck as a vehicle that can be loaded to capacity 100% of its travel and be driven flat out or at the speed limit all of the time, then these little vehicles do not meet the definition. They are a good marketing design suiting many operators much of the time, at a low price, but certainly can not cut the mustard when called upon. Try putting a tonne on the back of a 1600cc Asian light commercial rated at that, and try to hold overdrive on a motorway, or even try to hold direct top.

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Grin, grin. This is the reason most line haul truckies (and almost all road train operators) use North ...
.... In the small end of the haulage business it is price, price, price. So Kia and other cheapies have the market. Mid-range professional hauliers overwhelmingly buy Isuzu because they are a bloody good truck and have a low cost per ton/mile and excellent resale value.

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Brian

You could be correct, but for one small fleet of mid sized trucks we have given away the British - Leyland (many years ago now), the ex-US/Australian ones Dodge, then later International, and more recently even Isuzu.

Give us a UD (Nussan Diesel) any day, competitively priced, much more reliable and value in the long run. If I didn't drive Land Rovers I would be driving a Nissan 4 wheel drive too. They reverse engineer everything so much better than the original.

Cheers
Diana

I'm more dissappointed in you Andrew... as you have had all this time to convert Baz to the fold and you haven't..we have to get him bitten by the LR bug.. Oh isn't a GXL LSD at the rear standard?? mine was and in Frenchies video you can see Baz's back wheel behave like it has..albeit not to take anything from Baz he is a good guy , did relly well and we just need to convert him..He doesn't cop any Tojo jibes because he really is one of us...he just doesn't know it himself yet

Hi Sumo - I have a 2001 Kia Carnival and it has a 2.5L DOHC v6 - which was a design they bought from MG/Rover. It is quite a large people mover and it really requires a whole bunch of revs to get moving. 5 speed manual is compulsory - the 4 speed autos are dreadful.

Anyhow, the point I was going to make is that Kia tend to have one design and use it across multiple platforms. The 2.5L v6 is really a sedan motor - it does fine in that application. For a larger bodied car/truck - they would have done better with a SOHC motor - with more torque down lower in the rev range.

I think they just do this to save tooling and associated costs with supporting more than they can get away with.


Cheers,
Rob

A little off theme here but anyway!,

Noticed how many more "grey nomads" use Falcon over commodore. When you stop and chat to them the response is often they find the straight six does it easier than the V6. Better up hilss and "lugging" around