mainshaft in the gearbox and/or the transfer gear is where those systems led me on the defender....
$2.5k of hurt.....
I have just come back from a trip to Janowen and have a few clunks. Although they were there before.
On the way there I had a rear wheel wobble which I put down to a recent wheel balance I thought had gone wrong. Only to find on the Sunday morning that I had a buggered rear rubber driveshaft donut. However DiscoDan happened to have a new one in his toolbox so that was quickly fixed.
Another clunk is on take off and stopping. I have attributed this to the A frame balljoint or another loose suspension component but as yet haven't found what exactly. Can't replicate the clunk when rocking the car back and forth on the handbrake. I'll tighten evrything I can but it has only been a few months since doing that.
The other more interesting/worrisome clunk is in the driveline. When I am in low range it is more pronounced. It is like a clunking back and forth like a driveshaft rocking back and forth somehow. I have had this problem for a while and in high range if you drive properly it is not there but if you stuff a gear change then it is there.
When rocking the car back and forth looking for suspension clunks I noticed that with the handbrake on the rear tailshaft is lock solid but the front one can be rocked clockwise/anticlockwise. With the CDL engaged the rocking is reduced slightly but still there.
Is this common or even normal? What would be the common problem/fix for this issue?
Almost feels like a broken engine/gearbox mount but they checked out fine.
Thanks.
mainshaft in the gearbox and/or the transfer gear is where those systems led me on the defender....
$2.5k of hurt.....
2007 Discovery 3 SE7 TDV6 2.7
2012 SZ Territory TX 2.7 TDCi
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you moved the gear or just looked at it?
mine looked fine till the gear was moved....
2007 Discovery 3 SE7 TDV6 2.7
2012 SZ Territory TX 2.7 TDCi
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- a warning from Adolf Hitler
"If you don't have a sense of humour, you probably don't have any sense at all!" -- a wise observation by someone else
'If everyone colludes in believing that war is the norm, nobody will recognize the imperative of peace." -- Anne Deveson
“What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others.” - Pericles
"We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” – Ayn Rand
"The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts." Marcus Aurelius
I pulled the gear out through the PTO hole and had a good look.
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I'm thinking that if it isn't normal (and I can't see how it could be) that there would be a front output shaft and it has worn splines. I've been looking through the RAVE CD for a bit and can't find the exploded view of the transfer case. I've seen it before but I just can't find it now.
Transfer serial number 28D311258E
Ok I spoke too soon. I found the diagram. I'll drain the oil and remove the front output housing cover and the bottom cover and see what I can see see see.
Would be good to hear from other people with more of an idea than myself. Which is just about anyoneAs I won't be able to play with it until later in the week at work.
It will then be a combination of a little of ALL of the following.
1) If the rear shaft is locked by the handbrake and does NOT move at all, but the car still rolls and rocks when on flat ground it's wear in the rear shaft splines and/or the spider gear pins in the diff. If there's wear in the pins, either live with it, or replace the diff centre with a lower mileage unit. Rebuilding the diff will still not totally overcome the problem of total system slack, because:
2) If the CDL has some influence on the amount of slack, you have slack in the CDL itself.
3) The front diff will also have some of number 1 involved.
There's really no way around the slack in the driveline without spending many thousands dollars to REDUCE not remove the slack. The clunking comes from the slack, and the easiest way to reduce this is technique.
I know it's impossible to prevent all clunking by the way you drive, but little things like doing ALL of your slowing/braking before an erosion bank and driving through it all the way rather than applying drive only to the top. Same thing with holes - rather than FALLING into them (where you go from drive, to coast, to drive rapidly) brake for them, then gently drive into and through them.
It's worse in low range because of the gearing, and that will always be so. Just as it's worst in first high than 5th high.
I went through the same process as you looking for the slack, thinking it was something wrong. Not saying it's RIGHT but it's normal. And frustrating...
I figured that the slack was a little bit in everything but the clunking seems to be front driveshaft related. So if I could rectify that for not too much then I would.
Over the course of last weekend I think I came close to perfecting the clunkless drive. However every now and again you'd do something wrong and you'd get a big rocking noise. Seems to be more when you are concentrating harder on other things like when you are doing tight manouvering on side slopes and steep slopes.
If nothing else comes of it I'll get to reseal both of the covers as they both appear to leak. Although I think every seal on the transfer case leaks.
I'm considering upgrading the rear axles and drive plates with maxidrive units when I get some bigger play tyres so that would get rid of some of the slack as a side benefit.
I locked the rear diff and it didn't appear to make any difference in the amount you could rock the car back and forth with the hand brake on and the rear driveshaft not moving.
I have found that I can ignore an extraordinary amount of noises just by reminding myself that Land Rovers do that
Thanks for your info.
Last edited by Utemad; 19th March 2007 at 03:42 PM.
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It's not hard to whip the half shafts out to check the splines. Also, if you have a trusty assistant, you can take the filler plugs out of the diff and shine a light in to see the goings on as trusty assistant rocks the car back and forth with the handbrake on. That way you'll get a better idea of the order of slack take up and the proportions of slack along the way.
You won't fix it but you'll understand it more gooder.
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Don't worry I just ordered one on Ebay
I had the front end apart when I did the oil lubed wheel bearings but didn't even think about checking the splines for wear. Maybe next time. Although when I convert the rear I will know better.
At least when you understand why it is you can drive accordingly and feel better.
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