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    Distributor position 3.9 V8

    Hi all.

    I did some work on my 3.9 V8 Disco yesterday and today to stop it from pinging. I replaced the spark plugs and adjusted the timing yesterday which seemed to stop the pinging but the new Gasmaster leads arrived today so I fitted them today.
    When I adjusted the timing it was set to 12 BTDC so changed it to 6 BTDC. However when I was changing the leads over today I had to take more than one off at a time as I had got a bit of a tangle. I put them back where I thought they came from but the car ran like crap so I figured I had them on wrong. So I got the RAVE CD out and looked up the positions only to find that they were all wrong. Now that they are all where the book says they should be the car won't start!

    Would I be correct in thinking that the distributor has been put in wrong before and the leads just moved around to suit and the timing adjusted to suit?

    Should I just move the leads around the circle until it starts or should I pull the distributor and try and get it back to spec?

    Bit of a novice in this area so any help appreciated.

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    Yes, it could have been moved.

    You really need to find top dead centre on number 1 compression stroke. I would do that by pulling the number 1 spark plug out and turning the engine over by hand while holding a finger over the plug hole. When air is being pushed out of the hole, you are on compression. Then check the timing marks on the crank pulley to stop it at top dead centre.

    Then pull the distributor cap off and see where the rotor is pointing. That is the number 1 spot on the dizzy cap. Arrange the leads to suit.

    Don't forget to refit the number 1 spark plug!

    Hope this helps.

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    If you are going by the ID numbers on each lead, then I am not surprised you are having problems.

    I bought a set from an AULRO advertiser, suitably labelled with the cylinder numbers. "Very nice", sez me.

    Problem was they were all over the shop lengthwise & the coil lead wouldn't even reach.

    So, I ripped the numbers off & fitted the leads where they would fit lengthwise, but connecting them both ends as per the WSM diagram.

    The supplier did replace the coil lead for a longer one, but even then it was not the same length of the original LR one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon View Post
    You really need to find top dead centre on number 1 compression stroke. I would do that by pulling the number 1 spark plug out and turning the engine over by hand while holding a finger over the plug hole. When air is being pushed out of the hole, you are on compression. Then check the timing marks on the crank pulley to stop it at top dead centre.
    How do you manage to turn the engine over by hand while holding a finger over the no. 1 spark plug hole? I need two hands to turn the engine over. Are you are gorilla or am I a girly boy?

    Would it be okay to line up the TDC mark on the crank pulley and just assume that is TDC?

    I have removed the distributor as from pictures I have of another engine bay and the drawing in the RAVE CD it appears my distributor is 90 deg out of position. My vac assembly was near the fan belt.


    There were no numbers on the leads. I just went by length and the RAVE CD.

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    My vac assembly was near the fan belt.

    Hhmmmm. that's where mine normally is, with the small pipe coming out vertically quite close to the belt drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4bee View Post
    Hhmmmm. that's where mine normally is, with the small pipe coming out vertically quite close to the belt drive.
    Well I have put the distributor back in and as far as I can tell that is the only way it can go. Otherwise either the vac assembly or the ignition module get in the way.

    I have it back together and it didn't start so in the process of trying to find TDC again.

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    This may help, but then again...................
    Last edited by ladas; 22nd October 2008 at 09:45 PM.

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    Thanks Ladas but that is what I've been using. As far as I can tell I have done it just as they say to do it.

    I have stopped for the night however I was thinking that if I had done everything correctly but the timing was perhaps 1 deg ATDC then it wouldn't start would it? I did try the dizzy in slightly different spots though and it would never start.

    Also how do you statically time an engine? It says you should statically time it to 2 deg BTDC (for Oz). I've always just got it close enough and then used a timing light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utemad View Post
    How do you manage to turn the engine over by hand while holding a finger over the no. 1 spark plug hole? I need two hands to turn the engine over. Are you are gorilla or am I a girly boy?

    Would it be okay to line up the TDC mark on the crank pulley and just assume that is TDC?

    I have removed the distributor as from pictures I have of another engine bay and the drawing in the RAVE CD it appears my distributor is 90 deg out of position. My vac assembly was near the fan belt.


    There were no numbers on the leads. I just went by length and the RAVE CD.
    You can do it this way....but you may find you are out by 180 degrees on the dizzy.

    If this is the case simply turn the crankshaft around again to the TDC mark and you should be at no 1 TDC.

    Clear as mud??
    Cheers

    Mick

    1999 Land Rover 110 Defender TD5 Cab Chassis
    1985 Land Rover 110 County 4.6 EFI V8
    1993 Track Trailer camper

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    My vacuum advance unit is also situated towards the front near the belt.
    Nothing like the pic in RAVE.( which can be deceiving)
    As long as when you turn the crank pulley and it lines up with the TDC indicator with the mark on your pulley, and the rotor button is pointing to the number 1 position on the dizzy cap it should fire up, if the TDC mark on the pulley lines up and the rotor button is not on the number 1 plug on the dizzy then you are out one revolution.

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