Yes to all of the above.
JC
I'm in the process of swapping another 3.5 V8 into my 110.
Its running but there is no exhaust currently fitted apart from the extractors on each cylinder bank which end below the front floor on each side. Today I couldnt resist the urge to take it for a run (on private property) before it goes (on a trailer) to the exhaust shop. Apart from being very LOUD it seems down on torque, particularly at the bottom end and on deceleration it pops and backfires through the exhaust, to the extent that I can see flamesshooting out of the header pipes under my feet on deceleration (floor panels arent fitted yet for ease of welding up the rest of the exhaust).
Would the loss of torque and the backfiring be due to not having the exhausts from each side linked, or lack of backpressure from not having the Y pipe, muffler and resonator fitted?
Yes to all of the above.
JC
I doubt very much re the lack of back pressure despite what others say. But the lack of exhaust will probably be reponsible for the flames and popping etc.
Cheers
Slunnie
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How does restricting exhaust produce torque gains?
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Slunnie
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i love children, keep reving it and watching the flames,
must sound awesome.
the down on torque feeling is directly related to the noise 'ain't a problem, its just that you aren't used to bagging it up without an exhaust system.
the flames and popping back are quite normal for such a short exhaust system, doesn't it sound good?
i have a couple of aircraft i look after with very short stubs, and if you close the throttle too fast, the pops and bangs are really loud.
Could be just a bad design of extractor. Does it idle? Idle smoothly?
URSUSMAJOR
the loss of back pressure means that your not getting the scavanging effect as much as you would with it...
the nuts and bolts of your exhaust cycle...and this is mainly applicable to low (say sub 2500) rpm
(all speed terms are relevent here a piston moving slowly aint really moving slowly but its moving slower than when its moving at its max speed in a stroke)
1. exhasut valve opens, piston is moving up slowly the gasses begin to exit from their own pressure, as this happens the exhaust port(the head and very first part of your exhaust manifold before it joins to another exhaust) gets a bit of pressure in it.
2. The piston begins speed up and to push up and force the gasses out, exhaust port pressure rises and the gasses begin to get serious about flowing. (now is the point when your back pressure begins to become important)
3. The piston passes the mid point of its upstroke and is now going flat out both exhuast pressure and flow are at their peak.
4. as the piston slows down past the mid point of the stroke the pressure begins to fall but the flow rate remains about the same due to the inertia of the gasses.
5. the valves begin to rock, exhaust pressure can be at less than atmosperic pressure in a well tuned system and the exiting gasses suck the last of the burnt gasses out of the combustion chamber leaving it clear for the fresh duel/air to come in...
Now with no back pressure you cant get the scavanging to effect properly. This will leave burnt gasses in the combustion chamber wich robs you of fuel/air mix...
This of course all goes out the window when you get the revs right up there as the relative inertia and motion of the gasses just cant keep up with the mechanically flung parts....
so the really really short version..
back pressure in a well designed exhaust at lower rpms is a good thing but bad if you want to rev the nipples off it as it slows down the gasses movement.
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I'm pretty familiar with 2 stroke expansion chamber design which is probably irrelevant as there are no rebounding pressure waves, and the inertia and scavanging from extractors etc and the only thing that may make sense is that the inertia of the exhaust flow may increase the pressure difference in the cylinder, but there isn't a lot happening at low revs. At those lengths I'm not sure that tuned lengths will do a lot, especially when mufflers restrict flow and so probably more than negate any gain from air flow. I look at what people do to get power gains and I've never seen people adding restrictions to find gains, if anything they open the system up to allow free flowing exhausts.
The inlet side is a different ball game as it also involves fuel etc. Even in my 2 stroke days going to a larger carby lost a lot of bottom end, but that was because the air basically stalled in the carby and could not flow the fuel. In the high revs it really livened up. I'm sure a car is no different, but I would bet that cars with fuel injection run big inlets and inject close to the valve to help with low rev power. On the inlet its about atomisation and turbulance at low engine speeds to make torque, but thats not the case on the exhaust side.
Its an interesting scenario as to why more torque with exhausts.
Cheers
Slunnie
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