mate is a little illiterate, hence me making the thread

he was using a 3/4 bar, but from description it was getting a little worn. i think it was just a case of turning wrong direction, ah well, has to leave it till tomorrow (ran outta breaker bars) give the wd40 time to soak in, i considered the heat idea. should get him by

Ron, he had the same idea idea, using the starter motor.... little dangerous for my liking

thanks for the help everyone