Thread: VMX80 or Syntrans/trax in Td5 gearbox?

so what do the land rover specialists use in their vehicles........?

blknight.aus........justinc.........tombraider.... ......bigred..........etc......


im interested to find out as well as mine is due for a change as well........

It's been my limited experience that no two gearbox's like the same thing.My mates R380 doesn't like ATF or castrol but shifts smooth on Penrite,my one on the other hand only likes ATF and won't shift on anything else. Pat

Originally Posted by PAT303

It's been my limited experience that no two gearbox's like the same thing.My mates R380 doesn't like ATF or castrol but shifts smooth on Penrite,my one on the other hand only likes ATF and won't shift on anything else. Pat

MTF should be used not ATF, it's a different Viscosity and temp range.

Baz.

Originally Posted by rick130

that can happen. I've heard many times of two identical model g/boxes and they each preferred a different brew, hell JC posted this a week or so back where some of his customers R380's just don't like MTF94. The other thing to be aware of is that the friction modifiers can take up to 800km to impregnate the synchro cone surface.
I tried a Transmax Z/Neo 7wt brew the other day (I was doing a flush after changing seals and having to 'touch up' a seal surface) and the first 1/2 dozen shifts were awesome, at least until I got a little temp into the fluid. Syntrans was a lot better after that.

Hi Rick, i looked at Valvaline, Castrol, Shell and Penrite Diesel engine oils in 5w/40 to 15w/40 fully synthetic and all were either B3, B4 or E3, NONE WERE A1, B1, B2, but i didn't look at the petrol oils, didn't realise it could be used.

Yes i did see he was looking at gearbox oils, why i mention the MTF or it's equivilent, i alway try to stick to what the manufacturer recommends or it's equivilent in specs.

Baz.

Originally Posted by DEFENDERZOOK

so what do the land rover specialists use in their vehicles........?

blknight.aus........justinc.........tombraider.... ......bigred..........etc......


im interested to find out as well as mine is due for a change as well........

I don't qualify for your list of experts ...

But I use Castrol Syntrans in my LT77S gearbox. Syntrax in my LT230 transfer case. 80w/90 in my diffs.

B3, B4 are much more stringent petrol/light diesel specs than B2, and A1 is a petrol oil spec and E4 is a heavy duty diesel oil spec so if you use an oil that lists the higher (numerically) spec it will usually exceed the lower

A/B : gasoline and diesel engine oils
A1/B1 Oil intended for use in gasoline and car + light van diesel engines specifically designed to be capable of using low
friction low viscosity oils with a High temperature / High shear rate viscosity of 2.6 to 3.5 mPa.s. These oils may be
unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or handbook if in doubt.
A3/B3 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use in high performance gasoline and car + light van diesel engines and/or
for extended drain intervals where specified by the engine manufacturer, and/or for year-round use of low viscosity oils,
and/or for severe operating conditions as defined by the engine manufacturer.
A3/B4 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use in high performance gasoline and direct injection diesel engines, but
also suitable for applications described under A3/B3.
A5/B5 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use at extended drain intervals in high performance gasoline and car + light
van diesel engines designed to be capable of using low friction low viscosity oils with a High temperature / High shear
rate viscosity of 2.9 to 3.5 mPa.s. These oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or
handbook if in doubt.

E: Heavy Duty Diesel engine oils
E2 General purpose oil for naturally aspirated and turbocharged heavy duty diesel engines, medium to heavy duty
cycles and mostly normal oil drain intervals.
E4 Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing excellent control of piston cleanliness, wear, soot handling and lubricant
stability. It is recommended for highly rated diesel engines meeting Euro 1, Euro 2, Euro 3 and Euro 4 emission
requirements and running under very severe conditions, e.g. significantly extended oil drain intervals according to the
manufacturer’s recommendations. It is suitable for engines without particulate filters, and for some EGR engines and
some engines fitted with SCR NOx reduction systems. However, recommendations may differ between engine
manufacturers so Driver Manuals and/or Dealers shall be consulted if in doubt.
E6 Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing excellent control of piston cleanliness, wear, soot handling and lubricant
stability. It is recommended for highly rated diesel engines meeting Euro 1, Euro 2, Euro 3 and Euro 4 emission
requirements and running under very severe conditions, e.g. significantly extended oil drain intervals according to the
manufacturer’s recommendations. It is suitable for EGR engines, with or without particulate filters, and for engines fitted
with SCR NOx reduction systems. E6 quality is strongly recommended for engines fitted with particulate filters and is
designed for use in combination with low sulphur diesel fuel (max 50 ppm). However, recommendations may differ
between engine manufacturers so Driver Manuals and/or Dealers shall be consulted if in doubt.
E7 Stable, stay-in-grade oil providing effective control with respect to piston cleanliness and bore polishing. It further
provides excellent wear and turbocharger deposit control, soot handling and lubricant stability. It is recommended for
highly rated diesel engines meeting Euro 1, Euro 2, Euro 3 and Euro 4 emission requirements and running under severe
conditions, e.g. extended oil drain intervals according to the manufacturer’s recommendations. It is suitable for engines
without particulate filters, and for most EGR engines and most engines fitted with SCR NOx reduction systems. However,
recommendations may differ between engine manufacturers so Driver Manuals and/or Dealers shall be consulted if in
doubt.

Originally Posted by BigJon

I don't qualify for your list of experts ...

But I use Castrol Syntrans in my LT77S gearbox. Syntrax in my LT230 transfer case. 80w/90 in my diffs.

maybe you're the "etc"

Originally Posted by rick130

maybe you're the "etc"

I have been called worse things...