Thread: Who makes what

Originally Posted by BigJon

Early ones were 2.4 litres, later ones 2.5 litres, or so I recall. As far as I am aware, all of them are good as boat anchors, and not much else...

Not wrong there, although i hear they run ok as a stationary motor or in boats but land barges are a no go.

JDNSW
Are you wanting to know the origin of the Tdi200 and 300 diesels?

These derive from the 1956 introduction of the first Landrover factory diesel, a Rover designed and built (with input from Ricardo) 2.0 engine. In 1961 it was enlarged to 2.25l and went from wet sleeves to pistons in block, sharing the block with the petrol engine derived from it in 1958. In around 1981 the bottom end was modified to five bearings, and around 1984 was enlarged to 2.5l. Turbocharging in about 1986 was less than successful, and the engine was completely redeveloped with a new direct injection top end and intercooling as the Tdi 200 in 1989, appearing first in the Discovery. In about 1996 it was redesigned along similar lines to give the Tdi 300, apparently mainly to enable the same engine to be fitted to the Defender as the Discovery (the 200 needed different turbo placements and other changes to fit both), which was replaced by the new five cylinder Td5 engine, also a Rover/Landrover design as it was considered impossible to meet European emission standards with the existing design. The 2.5 litre size limit is to meet tax thresholds in some European countries.

I actually have a picture at home of a Rover 2.5 litre turbo engine under test in 1961, well thats what it says on the picture anyway.
Their heritage is older than they are given credit for

Originally Posted by p38arover

I didn't know any Ford (or BW) auto boxes were used in LR products ex-factory. The BW and GM boxes were used in Rover cars. ... Ron

Ron it depends what you mean by ex-factory.

In the early 80s the Range Rover 2 door and subsequently 4 door pre-Phase 2 (1985 Model, the ones without quarter windows in the front door) had a BW transmission mated to a cut off LT95?* transfer box.

The modification was done here in Sydney and the conversions sold through the Leyland dealer network as new cars.

Diana

* Am I correct the LT95 is the original Range Rover transmission with the integral casting for both the gearbox and the transfer box?

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Ron it depends what you mean by ex-factory.

In the early 80s the Range Rover 2 door and subsequently 4 door pre-Phase 2 (1985 Model, the ones without quarter windows in the front door) had a BW transmission mated to a cut off LT95?* transfer box.

The modification was done here in Sydney and the conversions sold through the Leyland dealer network as new cars.

Diana

* Am I correct the LT95 is the original Range Rover transmission with the integral casting for both the gearbox and the transfer box?

Correct for the LT95.

(which was replaced by the new five cylinder Td5 engine, also a Rover/Landrover design )quote. please correct me if i am wrong but isn't the Td5 a bmw engine ?

Originally Posted by Outback 1

(which was replaced by the new five cylinder Td5 engine, also a Rover/Landrover design )quote. please correct me if i am wrong but isn't the Td5 a bmw engine ?

No if it was a BMW engine it would be alot more reliable than they are

The TD5 is a rover engine as it was in development (project firestorm or somesuch as memory serves) when BMW put their foot in the door and helped out with the electronics part of it all. I believe (but cant proove) that BMW are also responsable for the body electric stuff like the ABS, TC, and the ECU. I suspect that BMW engineers are also responsable for the injectors as well but thats just a gut feeling

Dave is correct - it was well under way by the time BMW came on the scene, although they were in charge when it was marketed.

The dates I gave above were when the engines actually came on the market - they were obviously under development before then, in some cases a long time before. And there were a number of other engines that did not make it to production, including, if I remember rightly, a diesel version of the V8.

Also, Santana made (make?) a six cylinder version of the 2.25 four, I think in both diesel and petrol versions, although I am not sure of that.

John
John