Thread: 130 Dual cab, which do I get?

Originally Posted by Michael2

I did some research into the SVO (straight vegetable (ie: chip) oil, after a guy at work with an old Merc running on SVO offered me unlimited fuel supply if I wanted to convert the 300Tdi.

While older Mercs & tractors run well on SVO, high speed turbo diesels seem to have problems. One of the greatest technical issues is that SVO must be heated to 180deg C before it can attain the lubricosity of diesel.

Bio-Diesel already comes modified to mimic diesel, and those I've spoken to who use it, report cleaner emissions (with a chip shop smell) and quieter engine running, as well as a bit more power (that's on TD5s). However I was at the Penrite factory picking up some oil the other week and the guy was saying there were reports of premature engine damage from vehicles using Bio-Diesel as the chemicals that break down and end up in the sump have different corrosive properties to regular diesel, for which engine oil is made. Personally, I'd hang off the Bio-D till further research was made, or until a suitable engine oil or additive was manufactured (by a reputable company). I think (I'm guessing) occasional use of a Bio-D blend would be okay as a fuel system cleaner, but I haven't done that.

If you thought $2.5K was expensive for the D1 repair (I agree it was), then realise that TD5 repairs are going to be a lot more expensive, especially if you plan on keeping the car for a long time, as the amount of modification investment you mention suggest you do.

Another option is a 130 with a dead 300Tdi to be replaced with the 2.8HS motor, which bolts straight in. It gives TD5 power without any computer stuff. About $11K though. Jase on this forum imports (or imported) them. Maybe price will be better with a stronger $AUD.

Thanks Michael, good info, I'm learning a lot here fast, which is great, In the UK i see they run inline heaters for the SVO which would be something to keep an eye on, and yes that Bio seems to be pretty effective at cleaning things out, I might just watch that from a distance for a while..

Regarding spending money, I am just looking for a vehicle with more predictable expenditure cycles! I have had 3 LR V8's now and can honestly say I will never own another The TD5 would have to be the choice wouldn't it? I would like to wait around for a good truck with a bad engine though feel I could be waiting a while, Though I may just get the 130 Td5 and keep an eye out for a bargain Isuzu! as I would prefer to have a spare Motor waiting than a whole vehicle/project being hurried!

Thanks all for your input!

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

The easier option is to get an Isuzu 3.9 4dbi from a Isuzu truck of the same year and all the ADR problems are already solved.

Diana

I was under the impression that the Isuzu engine wasnt fitted to anything over here after about 95 but I could be wrong but thats why I said an early 130 as I think they started coming out around 94 95 if I remember right but again I could be wrong.

All cars no matter what they run engine wise will cost money, 300 TDI is no better or worse than a TD5 (in a defender that is) but just different things go wrong with it and can be more exy to fix though some things are cheaper such as turbo's.

The 2.8 inter motor is the best choice by far as all the problems of the 300TDI seem to have been sorted with them but they are not made anymore so are getting a bit hard to get.

In my opinion I would not own a vehicle that has been butchered.If I wanted more power than the TDI could produce I would take it to Rumble LR in Dungog and get them to recalibrate the pump and put it on gas,it would go like a train with no hassle's and be cheap to run.They have one up there know like it and that's my pick. Pat

Originally Posted by mcrover

I was under the impression that the Isuzu engine wasnt fitted to anything over here after about 95 but I could be wrong but thats why I said an early 130 as I think they started coming out around 94 95 if I remember right but again I could be wrong.

You are probably correct, we used to have a small Isuzu which had the 3.9 4bd1 and I assumed that the current models had the same or similar. However having now researched I find I am wrong.

My apologies.

In the same vein, if the Isuzu 4bd1 was so good and given improved performance over time. I wonder if you could fit the ISUZU 4JH1-TC using the same bellhousing components? It is a 2.999cc 4 cyl turbo-charged engine in the same sized truck as the 4bd1 was fitted?

National Truck spares in Arncliffe are always bringing in 2nd hand engines etc from Japan for the local market. It may be a new option instead of the 200 or 300tdi Rover donk? There are likely to be lots of them around!

Originally Posted by PAT303

...Rumble LR in Dungog ...

Unfortunately in Land Rover's wisdom and lack of reciprocating dealer loyality - they are no longer LR Dealers. Nissan I think now.

Diana

Originally Posted by mcrover

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The 2.8 inter motor is the best choice by far as all the problems of the 300TDI seem to have been sorted with them but they are not made anymore so are getting a bit hard to get.

I know it doesn't mean a hell of a lot, but they are still listed on the Navistar/International Brazil website as current production, so .....

Rumbles will stay LR.They have been there to long. Pat

Originally Posted by irDan

Hello all, I'm new here, looks like a wealth of information and from what I see, nice folk with a healthy sense of humour..

I have rebuilt a '76 Rangie which was fun but expensive, and am currently getting rid of my S1 Disco ES before I need to spend anything on it!

So I am after a 130 and trying to decide on the best option, I am new to diesel and like the idea of the tdi300 as it seemed to be around for longer with fewer faults than the Td5 was. I will be adding diesel/gas to boost the power and most likely end up running some form of alternative ie. Bio/chip oil.

I like the Idea of the HCP tray rather than a flat alloy tray because of the straighter sides and security if I put a hard top on it sometime.

So was 98 the last tdi? (120-200k.km) Is that old? I will wide track and lift it, spring cones, long shocks etc. though would appreciate advice on anything to stay away from, or is the Td5 the go? I just don't want to many problems I can't sort out myself...

Thanks all in advance..

Dan

I haven't seen one with an alloy tray, all I've seen is steel and there is a significant weight difference between a steel tray and an HCPU.

The rest of it's about money. The differences between a Tdi300 and a Td5 are academic, electrics, bio-diesel, blah, blah, blah.

You know how much money you have to spend. Find the 130 with the lowest Kms in the best condition for the money you've got.

Or if it really means something to you I'm sure there are guys around to offer up a drive. I'm in Sydney, tdi300 130 very solid steel tray if you want to try.

Cheers
Simon

Originally Posted by abaddonxi

I haven't seen one with an alloy tray, all I've seen is steel and there is a significant weight difference between a steel tray and an HCPU.

Cheers
Simon

Hi Simon, I'm looking at an alloy tray one this week out of curiosity. So which is the heavier the steel or the HCPU, sorry I have no idea, I imagine the steel but I've been wrong before!

I'm on the northern beaches, thanks for the offer! PM me when suites you.

Cheer's

Dan.