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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus
I've read the four or 5 pages of this thread that have piled on since I left home this morning. :p
So far as i can tell, Dave is the only one that is planning to use an older vehicle for a serious Australian trek. I presume the jeep had more than half a million on it. That's 1. Barely qualifies though (sorry) as I want to see evidence of multiple trips with the one vehicle. :)
Anyone else?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot
Warning.... one of those I heard of a bloke stories coming up....:angel:
I read somewhere (may have been the Hearald Sun) about a bloke fairly recently that drove a restored Austin 7 across the Nullabour and back to Melbourne and was planning a drive to Cairns and another through the centre to Darwin but I dont have the artical to give anymore info than that.
Now considering that an Austin 7 is damn old and the size of a shoe box and he was doing it solo and on the cheap I think that would count but then again I havnt got the proof but someone may know how to chase up any info on it.
On another note, my Disco is approaching 300,000km's and has done quite a few long distance stuff as it has service stamps from Perth, Bundaburg, Darwin and Broome as well as plenty from Frankston where it was sold originaly and Massaro's in Morwel where we bought it from.
The original owners towed a van (I dont know what size before anyone ask's) around Oz and then the second owner did similar and surprise surprise we have already taken it to Alice and Aires rock and I want to do the Cape in it oneday soon.
We also use it fairly regularly in the Vic high country with members off here as well as our 4wd club and on our own where it cops a pretty good hiding.
Now seems that 300TDI's are old and decrepid and put in the same catagory as Daves series 2 (original series not Disco) then does it also qualify for the multiple trips.
As I have said before though, It all comes down to money, if I had enough money to have a TD5 D2 then I would probably put a Chev V8 diesel with LPG in my D1 so I could still get economy and tow a decent size van as well.
well that same jeep did the perth darwin trip, did the darwin - alice trip twice and darwin-charleville off the black top and on the back tracks as often as possable as she was too slow to deal with the roadtrains and if the gravel road was shorter it was faster than the highway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot
Kermits done melbourne to sydney, sydney to townsville via the inland route
The landy I got off of dad (72 SIII) did most of australia and my last trip in it was perth-darwin.
one of the guys who posted out of a section on base is driving an FJ holden to perth via sydney and melbourne
Theres plenty of old vehicles out there that do long trips on a regular basis....
tell you what... convince some one to lend me ANY series rover that has a roadworthy and I'll drive it from here to any point on a map of australia that you choose with less than a weeks prep work...
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best make that a diesel series since thats what we're debating diesels
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better yet make it a II or IIA just cause I like II's and IIa's and that will definately ensure its an old rover...
of course if someone wants to loan a SI...........
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then I'll do it in a tdi county/deefer
then an isuzu rover and finally big red...
IF i manage that you get to pay my wages for the time on the trip and 2x the fuel bill...
IF i dont manage it I pay the lot.
and It'll be solo.
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is that enough to convince poeple of it doesnt really matter how old or what type of gimmickry (or lack thereof) that makes it go rovers are all dependable vehicles if you look after them just a little....
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The gauntlet has been thrown down!!!
:o:D:D
(P.S. This is the longest Tech thread so far!!!) :D
relax, get a beer from the fridge and do some reading why KISS Tdi300 and older models are so popular
cheers
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Does anyone know anything about the same bloke who did the Longtitude trip with the D2's, his earlier trip called Lattitude.
Im not joking or being smart, I would like some info on it if possible, I dont know if he used LR's or what though.
edit, I found some info on that site that Dobo put up...
Funny that
I thought so, they did the Lattitude expedition in SII Doormobiles in 1999...:D
I cant down load at the moment as the connection is too slow but one of you guys with broad band may be able to get some info off there is your interested.
I think that this comment has completely destryed any arguement that the vehicle selection has anything to do with reliability. There are quite clearly other contributing factors to the choices being made over there.Quote:
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Just become a member of expeditions forum, talk with expeditions organizers, have a look at the expeditions vehicles that continuously go to South Africa. Some of the 109 are still being used for expeditions in SA and South America. [/font]
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Am I correct in presuming that no vehicles ever failed in the remote outback before the use of electronic control on diesels?
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Considering how many folk have driven round the world treks in TD5's I cannot see what the issue is? They may break but very little stops them from getting you to home in limp mode.[/font]
Yep, the introduction of electronic controls has done away with many of the mechanical parts of the motor vehicle these days, such as electronic ignition and the doing away with distributors. Getting rid of unreliable carburettors and vapour locking/flooding fuel systems. There is no doubt in my mind that electronic controls have made vehicles more reliable by just comparing the numbers of break downs that I used to see as a kid, especially on a hot day compared to the very very few that seem to be around today. Interestingly, today the contol computer will also allow you to continue if it can, reduce the problem if it can so the vehicle remains mobile, and also limit damage by shutting engine bits down progresively. Old school is to run it until steam comes out and the engine is warped and then if it’s an iron engine then cool it off, if it has alloy components then replace them.
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Come on...give me a break ! Any machine can break, the problem is being able to fix it in a remote place. Do you think that all the companies which are preparing vehicles for Africa and the people who are doing the adventures are dumb ?
It is not use to continue with the argument as long as the people who do not understand the issue are not prepared to put their neck where the mouth is.
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Read and find out why they choose the tdi 300[/font]
Based on a previous comment about them using 109’s, I really don’t think that the choice of the Tdi motor is primarily based on reliability.
Yep, there are those that still use the abacus and those that enjoy the calculator . If a sensor goes bad the 4WD will more than likely keep going anyway.Quote:
Must admit I get fairly sick of people who have no expereince of the td5 knocking them... Sure some of these people are still scared of coil springs and wind up windows....
Things move on guys.... Electronics in cars are not unreliable. In all honesty you could carry every spare engine sensor fro a td5 with you ( I do ) and I have never needed them yet. the whole lot is only a couple of hundred bucks or so.
A lot of the top level uk competiton trucks are now running td5's instead of tdi's.
I wont ever go back to a tdi (and I have nothing against them - they are a good engine)
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Waiting to get flamed![/font]
As hard as you try to convert the thinking of peoples thinking to your own, some just wont agree with you on this issue and never will agree with you on this issue.Quote:
Now on the point of what I said about your sensors......
I can travel about 11kms on that in fuel......Correct
You still have to carry the same sort of spares as well as your sensors.....Correct
geez, does that mean I am correct or not???????????????
As far as the timing belt issue, It isnt an issue as long as you do it at around the 80k km mark as with most vehicals with a timing belt including my wifes carolla and a lot of other cars so I see that as maintenance not a problem as do you guys with replacing looms and tightening oil pump bolts as well as replacing plastic head dowels and head gaskets etc etc etc etc etc.......
Oh yeah Im still correct......
Re spares, no you don’t have to carry spare sensors at all. Why would you? If a sensor goes bad, the computer logs it and you keep driving. Unlike a Tdi though, you don’t have to carry a spare head incase it breaks, nor the valve train incase the timing belt snaps – yup, they do snap a hell of a long way before 80,000km – a driving mates (RIP) I believe went at 50,000km taking out the top end and Blackknight is probably the only one that would be fixing that on the side of the track. Funnily enough if you do carry some sensors, they are still a hell of a lot cheaper, smaller and lighter than a head, timing belt and valve train.... but you don’t carry all of those because it probably wont break anyway.