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Thread: 81 RR 3.5 Carb to 4.0 Carb conversion

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    81 RR 3.5 Carb to 4.0 Carb conversion

    Hello All.

    I have just got myself a 4.0 block out of 97 RR. It needs one liner replaced, and maybe another suspect one. I got it for $200, which I am happy with, as this will be my first engine rebuild and it will be more of a learning experience then anything. I want to do the job right, but a bit on the cheap. It is also going to be stock, with no performance anything.

    I am going to pull out the tired old donk from my 81RR and build up the 4.0 to go in. I know this has been done before and I want to learn about some of the pitfalls. I will be using as many of the old part as possible ie. heads and timing cover etc etc.

    Coming from an IT background I will be glad to document the process as I go through it, so others can learn from the mistakes I know I will make.
    I also want to use this forum as a place to ask the many question that will arise.

    The first step will be remove the pistons and crank, and get Cylinder No1 relined as it has leaked coolant. It has the tell tale clean piston surface. and the shop I got it from have marked it.

    I have also noted that Cyl 3 has a bit of a clean piston surface as well. This concerns me a little, I guess I can get the block pressure tested when I get the No1 relined.

    Someone suggested to me Motor improvers in Cheltenham VIC for the block work. Any other suggestions are welcomed.

    OK my first question is, camshaft. Anyone know of what camshaft I can put in this. I am guessing a 3.9 cam, but is there a supplier of a cam shaft that will allow for distributor and the fitting of the thrust plate, on the front of the block of a 4.0 and 4.6?

    Regards,

    John.

    PS I will be sure to take lots of pics on the my way through, the first will be of the block, when my next unsuspecting friend drops by and helps me lift it out of the back of the car.

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    The problem with these blocks (and 3.9/4.6's for that matter) is that the ali between the cylinders in the block is very very thin. In fact when this thin web of ali cracks it lets the liner move abit, which in turn leaks coolant. It's been said by others on this forum that any 4.0 or 4.6 thats been cooked/overheated will have this problem.The history of your block sounds like it could even be another victum. You can overcome it by 'top hatting' the new liners, but this will cost about 2k.

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    Whatever I have read about slipped liners says that if one has gone the others are not far behind.
    You should get the lot done with top hats, as the heartbreak of continually pulling the engine out and down would be far greater than the initial cost of a full job.
    Regards Philip A

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    we did the same conversion on my 18 yr old 110 ute.
    we got hold of a 4.0L cross bolted short motor for a special price, got some heads, timing cover and sump of an old 3.5 that had been sitting out in the rain for 3 yrs since my mate put a chev 350 in his rangie.
    had the heads done and put a stage 1 cam shaft in it from Bruce Davis performance landys in sydney.
    one of my mechanic mates put it together for me for a bottle of scotland's finest, but the camshaft sprocket had two timing marks on it, one was for a reason i can't remember, but you guessed it, he lined up the wrong one and when we got it going, we bent every inlet pushrod.
    off came the heads the next weekend, got 'em fixed and put them back on.
    couldn't get it going after this, so tilt trayed it up to my mate's work (land rover dealer) where one of the better mechanics had it going like new in about half an hour.
    to the untrained eye it looks exactly like a 3.5, but goes much better and is very torquey. rego was no problem.
    i used the original carbys from the 3.5. they are well within spec and work fine.
    LAND ROVER;
    HELPING PUT OIL BACK IN THE GROUND FOR 70 YEARS
    CARS DON'T GET ANY "GREENER" THAT.

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    Thanks for the replies thus far. I would like to keep this thread going, I will be sure to update on my progress.

    PhillipA - Having never rebuilt and engine before this going to be big learning experience for me. That is why I got the cheap block, and the reason I am putting it in the old 81 I have. If it all turn pear shape, and I end up slipping liners at every service interval I will count my loses and walk away vastly more experienced. I hope to use what I learn to build something a bit better for the 89RR I have, that would be when I would spend the 2000 to set up the block.

    I also see that you suggest you don't need to use the thrust plate on the front of the cam. That is good to know, I suppose it will come down to price. If I can get a decent cam that will allow a thrust plate I will use it.

    I also read that it will require a crankshaft spacer, so the pulley bolt can pull tight, these appear easy to come by though.

    Secondly it also appears that on the left hand rear of the block there is a hole for a crank shaft angle sensor, (opposite where the starter motor mounts) this will need a blanking plate. Has any sourced one of these?

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    Does anyone know if I will require a Engineer Certificate for the 3.5 to 4.0 xbolt engine swap?

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    yes, in NSW you will need a blue slip, to be on the right side of your insurance and the law
    LAND ROVER;
    HELPING PUT OIL BACK IN THE GROUND FOR 70 YEARS
    CARS DON'T GET ANY "GREENER" THAT.

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