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    D1 Transfer box problems

    Edit: I write too much. Please read though and tell me what you think.

    Ive had my D1 300tdi for about 18 months now and its been great so far. Bought it at 200 000k and ive done 60 000k since. In the last 20 or so thousand ks, a vibration has developed at about 100kmh, and has been getting louder over time.The vibration was only there when doing 100kmh, and died off when i slowed down. The same revs in other gears didnt seem to do it. Also, this vibration got so bad that it wouldnt allow me to drive faster than about 120kmh.

    Got my old man (diesel mechanic) to take it for a test drive with me so I could show him what i meant. I thought my diff(s) was worn/buggered. He disagreed and said there was no diff noise, but sounded more like an out of balance tailshaft. So we had a look under there and the front output shaft's uni joint yokes were not aligned properly. They were set about 45deg from each other, which from what ive learnt in my trade, is wrong and causes massive vibration at speed.

    So we took the shaft out, pulled the two halves apart at the spline (the plastic coating on the male part was a mess) and aligned the yokes flat. Refitted the shaft and went for a drive and the improvement was immediately evident at 100kmh: less vibe, quieter, smoother drive, and could go way beyond my previous top speed.

    There was a vibe still there. The front output bearing in the transfer case is buggered, due to the vibration from the many 1000ks done with the unis set wrong. The front output seal is RS too, so it leaks.

    Question time:
    1. Who else has a disco or fender with the front driveshaft uni yokes set up wrong? My uncle's fender is exactly the same as mine was. He rang his service mob and they told him it's normal and comes from the factory this way. Why do they do this?

    2. Its looking like my transfer case needs to be removed and worked on. Obviously need new bearings and seals, but what else? Ill add that the last bloke to strip it didnt replace the gaskets, its all Blumaxx sealed now, which looks ****e. Is there a rebuild kit i can buy and do the repairs myself? Im confident my dad and I can do it at home, hes a mechanic experienced in gearboxes and im a 4th year fitter/machinist. Or, should I be looking for a recond/exchange complete box? From where?

    Cheers blokes, the disco still goes good apart from this. Better fix it sooner than later though.

    Nich

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    The front propshaft uni joints are supposed to be out of phase like yours were before you set it up wrong .

    You only run uni joints at 90 degrees to each other if the transfer output and diff pinion are parallel to each other. If you look under your Land Rover, you will see that the diff pinion actually points upwards at the transfer case. That is the reason for the "misalignment" of the uni joints.

    As far as a rebuild kit for the transfer case goes, I am not sure what is available aftermarket. I work at a Dealer and we use genuine parts, all available individually, not in a kit form.

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    No big deal: It's not all the propshafts fault.

    1. TC seals and bearings - can be done in situ,
    look here: (Edit: Use a inside track bearing remover, what I did is a bit rough)

    LT230 Output bearings & Oil seals:

    2. Further to Big J's comment about how the propshaft is set up - it helps when under load and compression if the yokes are out-of-phase. If the plastic on the splines is worn off or damaged another propshaft is needed - the plastic coating is integral to the design.

    3. Time to check and adjust the swivel bearing preload. Thats another source of vibration at speed.

    4. Get the tyres checked for out-of-round. If the shocks are had-it, they will cause the tyres to become distorted. Experience is a wonderful thing.

    5. Think about a new set of uni joints - easy to replace.

    My Disco has 330K on it and is smooth as silk at 130 without a steering damper. It did exactly the same things you describe, but after some bearings, a look at the swivel bearing preload, new shocks and a two new tyres it was good as gold.

    As to rebuilding the TC- it probably already has been done. If it does not whine or leak leave it alone. Check or change the oil if you want.

    Get yourself a workshop manual. Best to buy a RAVE disk from the forum. Sometimes the LR engineers do things that are a little weird.

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    recently i had a gearbox [auto ] repair, did up my transfer box, and some diff problems, then i chased a vibration , even to re setting up both diffs with no change, eventually replaced the rear driveshaft doughnut, no vibrations now.
    Safe Travels
    harry

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    There are no gaskets for this model LT230 TF case, they were assembled with a Sikaflex type compound from the factory. Fitting gaskets as per early LT230 will increase bearing clearances and reduce any preloads, thereby causing backlash, noises etc.

    JC
    The Isuzu 110. Solid and as dependable as a rock, coming soon with auto box😊
    The Range Rover L322 4.4.TTDV8 ....probably won't bother with the remap..😈

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    Thanks for all the responses guys.

    I will be putting the shaft back the way i found it asap. I understand that this setup is different, but dont understand fully how they work out what angle to set the uni yokes apart. In a setup like this, ideally, it should have CV joints instead of unis shouldnt it? Two unis in a row should have the two outer shafts parallel for it to be smooth at all.

    Anyway, Langy says I need a new shaft because the spline coating is buggered, fair enough. But can i just buy the male part and not the whole lot. The Fourwheeldrives mob in melb sells them either way. They also sell gasket and seal kits. are the gaskets for a different model box?

    My shocks are new Billies, other pivot bushes might need attention but seem fine now, wheels could do with another balance i guess.
    The Box is leaking out the front output, and the bearings is indeed loose. I can shake it up and down with my hand. I will need to fix that. Is it likely to be the bearing buggered or the housing flogged out and need to be sleeved (I could machine and sleeve it)?
    Cheers again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sich nich View Post
    Thanks for all the responses guys.

    I will be putting the shaft back the way i found it asap. I understand that this setup is different, but dont understand fully how they work out what angle to set the uni yokes apart. In a setup like this, ideally, it should have CV joints instead of unis shouldnt it? Two unis in a row should have the two outer shafts parallel for it to be smooth at all.

    Anyway, Langy says I need a new shaft because the spline coating is buggered, fair enough. But can i just buy the male part and not the whole lot. The Fourwheeldrives mob in melb sells them either way. They also sell gasket and seal kits. are the gaskets for a different model box?

    My shocks are new Billies, other pivot bushes might need attention but seem fine now, wheels could do with another balance i guess.
    The Box is leaking out the front output, and the bearings is indeed loose. I can shake it up and down with my hand. I will need to fix that. Is it likely to be the bearing buggered or the housing flogged out and need to be sleeved (I could machine and sleeve it)?
    Cheers again.
    Just buy a whole shaft, and my advice is to give British4X4 a call about the shaft $$$, at least you will be getting a good quality one...
    Yes, the early LT230's had gaskets, but they were back around 1984/85 on RRC and 110 county. These required gaskets, not your model case though.
    I actually have bought these gasket kits in the past, as you get all the seals, and sometimes it works out cheaper to buy a kit with the gaskets etc to get the seals for a good $$$.
    The frontoutput brg has play in it from new, not much but some. It has a high radial clearance, hence the feeling of looseness. You can get them out easily, but put the TF case in difflock first, as it helps when refitting the output shaft back in...lining up the splines etc on the locking sleeve is impossible otherwise.

    JC
    Last edited by justinc; 2nd March 2008 at 02:40 PM.
    The Isuzu 110. Solid and as dependable as a rock, coming soon with auto box😊
    The Range Rover L322 4.4.TTDV8 ....probably won't bother with the remap..😈

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    Quote Originally Posted by justinc View Post
    Just buy a whole shaft, and my advice is to give British4X4 a call about the shaft $$$, at least you will be getting a good quality one...
    Yes, the early LT230's had gaskets, but they were back around 1984/85 on RRC and 110 county. These required gaskets, not your model case though.
    I actually have bought these gasket kits in the past, as you get all the seals, and sometimes it works out cheaper to buy a kit with the gaskets etc to get the seals for a good $$$.
    The frontoutput brg has play in it from new, not much but some. It has a high radial clearance, hence the feeling of looseness. You can get them out easily, but put the TF case in difflock first, as it helps when refitting the output shaft back in...lining up the splines etc on the locking sleeve is impossible otherwise.

    JC
    Cheers mate, Ill begin the search for all the parts I think Ill need before I pull anything apart again. So, no gaskets ay? What sealant is the recommended? A 51X number Loctite flange sealant, or something else? Loctite Bluemaxx like I think what is on there now?
    The bearing and/or housing IS buggered, ones that are ok should not have any more than 0.08mm or so internal clearance shouls they? Mine has about 1-2mm of radial slop!
    I wont have to get a new/recond output flange to match new shaft will I? I guess it depends on the condition of that spline too?
    Ill be sure to check the rear shaft rubber coupling too next time, I heard they can be the source of some vibration.

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