Thread: New Defender Strange Engine Noise - Paranoia?

No what I am saying is you have to be opened minded about problems.The drama's people are having can't all be from water.It is very easy to focus on one thing but for me that's wrong.If I was you I would look up the ford transit and see if the same problems are there.Look back at the earlier post's''it mostly happens when first starting off'' What are you saying,the water only gives problems when first starting in the morning and then goes away??.Like I said it could be masking another problem,and as I also said you can't be all getting water all the time and the line about the breather blocking up and water coming throught the cap,are you telling me alot(litres) of water was sucked through the cap.I don't think so. Pat

Originally Posted by PAT303

No what I am saying is you have to be opened minded about problems.The drama's people are having can't all be from water.It is very easy to focus on one thing but for me that's wrong.If I was you I would look up the ford transit and see if the same problems are there.Look back at the earlier post's''it mostly happens when first starting off'' What are you saying,the water only gives problems when first starting in the morning and then goes away??.Like I said it could be masking another problem,and as I also said you can't be all getting water all the time and the line about the breather blocking up and water coming throught the cap,are you telling me alot(litres) of water was sucked through the cap.I don't think so. Pat

we dont know exactly how much water got through we were just told alot!
also un beknown to some the td5 is situated in the same place as the new 110 except the new 110 doesn't have a one way valve like the td5 it breaths both ways (apparently its called a roll over valve or something)....is situated directly ablove the back wheel that catches the spray from the rear wheel.
the water in the tank gets pumped through pressurizes the rail...and forcing a valve open which in turn weekens the spring that returns the valve (think i got that right) but i can copy it straight off the service message from if you want it word for word
is it coincidence that a few vehicle have been put throught warranty for this valve problem? as there was a bulletin for the valve problem long before there was a serivce message for the breather

i hear what your saying but at the end of the day the fuel came from a BIG brand company which have had no reports of bad fuel

and is it possible that the cap could of pulled a few litres in maybe? maybe not? who is to know but what i do know is the car has had more than 6 months to collect that water to the point that it has now made a difference and done some damage....as the symptoms and the problems including limp mode and an eninge light first started at the beginning of feburary

and i also know that we had the heighest rain fall in feb enough that the roof top tent leaked really badly (which is has never done) as the car is permantly parked out side. coincidence maybe?

i also know that a car in the uk had almost a 50/50 mix in his tank when his car came to a sudden holt..

i also know that landrover as standard now have moved the breather to the new location of all the new defenders coming off the line..coincidence maybe?

i will certainly keep an open mind once my car has been fixed and my breather has been relocated should it ever happen again.
the car is also being fitted with a filter and a glass bowl so we can also visually see

I would look up the transit side and see if it is a LR fitment thing or a motor problem.I can't see 30+ litres of water going through the breather or the cap.It's 9.30 here so it's 11.30 over there,get some sleep. Pat

Originally Posted by PAT303

I would look up the transit side and see if it is a LR fitment thing or a motor problem.I can't see 30+ litres of water going through the breather or the cap.It's 9.30 here so it's 11.30 over there,get some sleep. Pat

yes i'm going....to bed that is

i never said my car had 30 litres of water in it...i was just told alot of water..

like i said i hear what your saying, but now i'm asking you to also keep an open mind...becasue just becasue one person says its not possible or unlikely doesn't mean it hasn't happened..

as we have all experienced somewhere in life stranger things in life do happen

i suppose only time will tell!!

Hey DB, look at it this way if it is something else, you would have to be definately covered by warranty.
I think LR are playing games with you and just trying to get out of repairs they have carried out for the rest of the world under warranty. Nothing new, there are many times recalls or repairs hav been done on the TD5 in Britain but not Australia.
They just take a gamble people will not push the issue or sue.
Being a new car your issues are not good or appropriate.
As said water should not destroy the system it should just need a good clean out. I have had to do this myself to a couple of diesels including my old Disco tdi when I got a contaminated batch of fuel.
Either way it should be LRs problem. I can not believe they dont have a water sensor on it. Their own filters tout being a water seperator, so back to them again.
Any way Good Luck.

Now that this thread is out of the sin-bin, I think we should still be working on this issue together...

My vehicle has gone into the dealer for its first service and I have pointedly asked them to investigate this problem. I have mentioned a lot of the information on this and the Defender2 forum where there have been reports of water in fuel etc. However I have been careful to point out that my revving/power loss when cold problem has been there since just after I took delivery of the car and it remains even after they did the Common Rail PRV replacement.

Originally Posted by PAT303

Like I said it could be masking another problem,and as I also said you can't be all getting water all the time

My thoughts exactly...

This has to be something else since it happens all the time. My (uneducated) suspicions are that there is a condensation issue in the fuel lines. The behaviour we are reporting seems consistent with water being drawn in with the fuel but I can't think why else it would only happen after the vehicle has been stationery for several hours. We need to focus on how cold starting may be a factor.

It's quite possible that some of the people reporting this issue have had bad fuel - but they would be the ones who had their vehicle actually stop working altogether. Our cars seem to be running generally fine!

Well I have just had a call from my dealer to report on the work they are doing, in particular their diagnosis on this engine revving/power loss issue...

Nothing, no problem, no fault codes, nothing wrong at all! They couldn't even replicate the problem after two morning cold-start test drives . This is a problem that has been happening every time for me for at least the last couple of months and perhaps 1 in 3 times since new.

Their advice - "sorry but we couldn't find anything - you'll just have to keep monitoring it".

When I pick it up this arvo I'll see how they got on with the rest of my list of fixes and report back...

OK - here's a summary of what they did and didn't do during this visit.....

Sump pan - replaced under warranty. It is now a scheduled service item so others take note and see that it is done.

Fuel tank breather - not relocated. The dealer is adamant that they are unaware of any service bulletin to do this. They have however asked me to email them any info I have from elsewhere so they can look into it.

Engine problem - as I mentioned, they couldn't detect any problem, so nothing has been done. I guess I'll know tomorrow morning whether it's still doing it or not.

Now just for everybody's interest, here are some other items I got them to look at so you can see what their hit and miss ratio is like....

Water leak under LH side of windscreen panel - nothing. They did a leak test and said nothing came thorugh. This is odd because when I noticed the drip off the bottom of the dash in the passenger side footwell I looke up and could actually see the water seeping through!

Squeaky clutch and brake pedals - trivial I know, but they fixed them.

Rear passenger door hard to close - fixed!

Missing trim rivet cap in cargo area - fixed

Rear seat support bracket incorrectly positioned - they are adamant that because the vehicle passed ADR inspection like this they can't touch it! (at least not without a mountain of paperwork) In any case, the rear seat has actually started sagging slightly so pretty soon it will be sitting on the support bracket anyway so I guess they figure they will get out of having to do anything.

Roof gutters misaligned - there has been much talk on the Defender2 forum about this. They checked it against a couple of other Defenders and reported that "they are all like this". Funny, I don't recall my Td5 being this crooked - oh well, as long as it doesn't leak..... oh hang on, it does!

All in all, it is only the engine revving issue which still has me worried. I will keep an eye on it but if anyone else has the same thing happening it would be good to know. BTW, is your vehicle still doing it DB & MM?