Thread: So how do I increase my tyre size without reducing articulation?

Originally Posted by Waxenwane

Do you have a part number for these?

Yes, but not directly at hand.

Although they are off the shelf items, I have done extensive mods (axle swaps etc.) and they are not drop in replacements for stock springs.

Thanks, perhaps you could pm at your convenience. I'm just looking at possibility's at this stage so part numbers are handy for price/spec comparo's

Originally Posted by Bush65

There are many taller springs available off the shelf (not custom) that will raise a disco/rangie without using spacers, and not reduce articulation - in fact allow more articulation.

LRA has allready been mentioned.

My disco has off the shelf King springs KTFS 69C under the rear and KTFS 94C under the front. The lift is about 3" (maybe more) and no surprise, the articulation is greater than stock (my bilstein shocks have 10" stroke, 2" longer than stock).

My rangie has 12" travel at the springs and does not dislocate. Again the springs are off the shelf.

My bushie has 14" travel at the springs and the springs are off the shelf.

Maybe you can give the specs of the springs. King appears to not want you to know. All they will tell you is that the springs you quoted are both front springs for a 80 series Landcruiser. They are standard height and they are soft as the "C" stands for Comfort. The K stands for King, the T for Toyota, the F for front, and the S for standard height.

Why and how did you fit Landcruiser springs to your Disco?

You must have strange shocks. They have 10 inches of travel yet they let your axle move 14 inches

Originally Posted by r.over

Maybe you can give the specs of the springs. King appears to not want you to know. All they will tell you is that the springs you quoted are both front springs for a 80 series Landcruiser. They are standard height and they are soft as the "C" stands for Comfort. The K stands for King, the T for Toyota, the F for front, and the S for standard height.

Why and how did you fit Landcruiser springs to your Disco?

You must have strange shocks. They have 10 inches of travel yet they let your axle move 14 inches

1. You have as much information from Kings as I have. The other information I have is as per my previous post. I don't know what the spring rates are.

2. The previous owner of my disco used it for towing a heavy trailer (landscape business) and had heavy springs fitted. For my needs I determined what I believed would perform well. Fitting was bolt in.

3. Where did I say that

You have the mistaken belief:

the only way to raise it and not stuff up the articulation is to get custom springs made that are 2 inches longer and the same compression rate as standard

Then proceed to knock those who know different and dare to say so.

If you had said my shockies were bling or $$$, then I plead guilty. But strange they are not

Originally Posted by Bush65

1. You have as much information from Kings as I have. The other information I have is as per my previous post. I don't know what the spring rates are.

2. The previous owner of my disco used it for towing a heavy trailer (landscape business) and had heavy springs fitted. For my needs I determined what I believed would perform well. Fitting was bolt in.

3. Where did I say that

You have the mistaken belief:


Then proceed to knock those who know different and dare to say so.

If you had said my shockies were bling or $$$, then I plead guilty. But strange they are not

So you have springs on that you have no idea of the compression rates or length. Yet you claim that they allow more movement than standard. It is a little hard to show that this is not correct without basic data on the springs.

I did not understand your answer as to how you get 14 inches of axle movement when you have shocks that move no more than 10 inches. This is beside the point that the springs would have to have a compression rate of around 130 lb per inch

Originally Posted by Waxenwane

Thanks, perhaps you could pm at your convenience. I'm just looking at possibility's at this stage so part numbers are handy for price/spec comparo's

Sorry Wayne, I didn't notice in your earlier post, where you asked about the part no, that you had highlighted 2" longer shockies in the quoted text.

I wrongly assumed you were asking about springs as this thread has concentrated on them

The shockies in my disco are the ones that LRA get made. I don't have part no's for them.

I've had these for many years, but not on the disco for that long. Since buying them, many people have been using a combination of landcruiser and patrol shocks - so this is one option to explore.

But, had I not already had these, I would have imported some from the USA. From eshocks or the like. Their prices are better than here (but exchange is not so good at this moment).

Although it may not be possible to get the pin-pin and eye-pin combination, adaptors can be made to make them work.

Originally Posted by r.over

So you have springs on that you have no idea of the compression rates or length. Yet you claim that they allow more movement than standard. It is a little hard to show that this is not correct without basic data on the springs.

if the spring is retained at both ends, yet maxes out the travel on a 10" stroke damper that's been installed properly, I'd reckon it has superior travel to stock.

I did not understand your answer as to how you get 14 inches of axle movement when you have shocks that move no more than 10 inches. This is beside the point that the springs would have to have a compression rate of around 130 lb per inch

If you happened to read John's post properly, you'd see he is referring to three different vehicles that he owns with three different spring and shock lengths

Originally Posted by r.over

So you have springs on that you have no idea of the compression rates or length. Yet you claim that they allow more movement than standard. It is a little hard to show that this is not correct without basic data on the springs.
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I do know the lengths and posted them in a previous post in this thread. Though you apparently did not read that. I do not have the spring rates, nor did I care (if I know the spring rate will it perform differently?).

Therefore you conclude that I am a liar

Originally Posted by r.over

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I did not understand your answer as to how you get 14 inches of axle movement when you have shocks that move no more than 10 inches. This is beside the point that the springs would have to have a compression rate of around 130 lb per inch

You don't appear to read or understand very well.

No where have I said that I was getting 14" travel out of shockies that have a stroke of 10".

I have not misrepresented any facts or posted information based on conjecture or flawed theories