Thread: Axle Direct Recovery

I would have expected that if the tow was attached to the axle that the axle would have been pulled forward and the chassis and body would have stayed put.

Isn't that the opposite of what happens here. The body gets pulled forward and the axle and wheels try to stay put.

Doesn't this video present an argument for connecting directly to the axle?

.......always you man with the camper

Originally Posted by vnx205

I would have expected that if the tow was attached to the axle that the axle would have been pulled forward and the chassis and body would have stayed put.

Isn't that the opposite of what happens here. The body gets pulled forward and the axle and wheels try to stay put.

Doesn't this video present an argument for connecting directly to the axle?

That's what I was thinking. The axle really needed to be lifted as it was almost entirely immersed on the side closest to us.

recovered from the chassis. if it was recovered from the axle it would have taken the wheel out from under the vehicle OR when the axle snapped the line would have come clear from the fracture and left everything stopped apart from the cable which with any luck would have taken out one of the potential darwinites that keep standing in the whip area of the line


but even if thats not the way it happened, chassis, suspension tied off of the roof rack it still leaves out the blindingly obvious.....

1. a shovel works better in those situations than any amount of pulling I dont care where you hook up to you do what they did you're going to break stuff.

2. the best recovery point to get that out was the rear tow hitch or rear axle going backwards up the hill thats on the drivers side of the cherokee.

My money says he sheared the axle mounting bolts

Originally Posted by p38arover

Responses to above:

Slunnie: The cables are pre-attached. One doesn't need to get underneath during the recovery.

Tombie and Crash: If you are putting that much pull into a snatch recovery, I think you're doing a recovery that should be done some other way.

I'd believe you if it was on a leaf sprung car but the the huge radius arms underneath, I doubt it.

See also: Technical Review of ADR

and

Axle recovery points

BTW, Phil isn't making them any more - unless he has restarted. I've been asking him for one on and off for some years.

I didn't realise there were always cables under there.

Also, the radius arm probably isn't the weakest link, especially the way the classics have their links mounted to the chassis. Probably ok for light and general recovery but just not what I would do to my 4WD.

I think it is a great idea.
Q\What is usually stuck in a 4x4.
A\The axle/wheels/ diff

If the body is stuck you are going to rip the hell out of it anyway towing from a tow point.

ALL of the force of snatching etc must go to the stuck point ie the axles via the axle mountings if you snatch off a recovery point.

If recovering from the axle the only mass is the 4x4 (plus inertia), not multiplied as with a snatch strap.

And I can assure you that the chassis mounts on a Rangie are about the strongest part of the car.

I drove my LH leading arm mount back 20MM in the 2000 Nissan Trials ( I assume whacking a rock at speed in the Rock Garden) and the power and heating needed to restore it was a LOT.
BTW I agree that the Cherokee was snatched from a Recovery point, so is the greatest argument FOR the axle system.
Regards Philip A

I'm not going to continue to debate this because my opinion is...

Its your vehicle do what you want


But I won't recover a vehicle attached to the axle if at all avoidable.

I've also seen the front bolts shear off the axle using the axle mounted bridal first hand..

And also seen the same vehicle earlier that day caught up on the cable.

Can I just say, snatching that jeep was wrong, anyway you look at it. To me it looks like they where caught in a flash flood. there are no tyre tracks into it.
It should have been lifted free of the mud with an exhaust bag first. Dropping the tyre pressure down to 10 lbs and they might have driven it out. But no, Yanks think Horse power is the answer to everything.