ENGINE TRANSPLANT???

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15th September 2009, 01:13 PM
isuzurover

Sounds OK
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zas-es2EL48&feature=related"]YouTube - 353 detroit diesel In cab[/ame]

Very short engine, but also looks a bit on the tall side for a landie. Might need a puma bonnet...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ3iBRHiH1E&feature=related"]YouTube - 353 detroit diesel moves[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1CLMHdwr4Q&feature=related"]YouTube - 353 detroit diesel moves 2[/ame]
15th September 2009, 01:19 PM
isuzurover

Now THIS sounds awesome!!!
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEsOjMFcgyg&feature=related"]YouTube - Pushin more snow with 6V53T Detroit in '79 F250[/ame]

Better stop now...

I hope they are wrong about the weight of the engine though!!!
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product7.html
15th September 2009, 02:15 PM
Bigbjorn

My stars, didn't that Henry pickup truck get moving smartly.

Height would not be a problem. The engine can be drysumped easily. There are a plethora of ancillary drives available on any Detroit for a scavenge pump.
15th September 2009, 02:35 PM
isuzurover

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

My stars, didn't that Henry pickup truck get moving smartly.

Height would not be a problem. The engine can be drysumped easily. There are a plethora of ancillary drives available on any Detroit for a scavenge pump.

The main issue is they seem to be very rare in OZ, and the alloy version you mention seems to be rare everywhere. The only one I can find images of is all iron.

Grimy seems to feel the need to compensate for something, so I am sure he will go for either maximum cubes or maximum cylinders. Telling your mates you have a 3 cylinder 2-stroke just doesn't sound cool unless you have a sports bike... (just kidding, you know I love you Grimace ;) )

Hey Grimy - how about one of these:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...009/09/954.jpg

Quote:

Mazda R26B Specifications
Layout: 4-rotor, in-line
Displacement: 654 cc x 4-rotor
Compression ratio: 10:1
Induction system: Telescopic intake manifold system
Horsepower: 690 bhp @ 9000 rpm
Torque: 448 lb-ft @ 6500 rpm
Weight: 180 kgs.

You could have 7:1 diff gears and still have a decent top speed on the highway ;)
15th September 2009, 03:11 PM
Bigbjorn

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

The main issue is they seem to be very rare in OZ, and the alloy version you mention seems to be rare everywhere. The only one I can find images of is all iron.

Joe Hawkes at Airlie Beach (general engineering works, diesel shop, slipway, boatyard) has installed a number of the aluminium version. A number of irrigation pumps, general industrial use, gen sets, etc. He still has one in his shop, skid mounted with a radiator and four speed transmission. That engine import company on the Gold Coast, can't remember their name, say they can supply them.

(Edit) They were never sold in Oz as an OEM automotive engine. Iron ones were plentiful in industrial stationary applications, pumps, gen. sets,etcetra; also quite a few were in earthmoving and construction equipment, loaders, rollers, and so on; marine auxiliaries, smaller work boats.
15th September 2009, 03:21 PM
Dougal

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

Sounds OK

The MF/perkins and hairdryer weren't far off.:o
15th September 2009, 04:18 PM
CraigE

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Originally Posted by cal415

The pollution side of it is a simple thing, went through it with the engineer already -add cats keep the carbon pot and run a breather from the fuel tank, keep the AFM (till its regod) etc get it passed emissions and DB then loose the cats again....

as for the extra costs involved, theres not that many,, and no doubt there would be similar problems going to a 4.6, at the end of the day the LSx motor is still the way to go unless your really really keen to keep it true to rover. Its a wonder theres not kits available already, but i know marks 4x4 adapters is working on something there....

All I suggest is you go into it eyes wide open. I have spoken with a lot of people that have done the conversion and it was not a cheap exercise. To do it properly with a new crate motor, I would not expect much change out of $15k maybe more. I have heard of it costing up to $20k. Even with a second hand motor I would expect $10k plus and would recon the engine before fitting.
Its things like radiator, custom hoses, wiring, changes to the harness, air con, power steering mods, extractors / exhaust down to mounts, bellhousing and a gearbox that will handle the power. Even inspection and certification costs must be included to give a real costing. Then there is labour if there are things you can not do your self. While it is a simple conversion it is generally not as cheap as most people may infer.
Anyway good luck as I think it would be a good project and it will be informative to hear and see how you go.
:D:D
15th September 2009, 05:57 PM
Grimace

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Originally Posted by CraigE

All I suggest is you go into it eyes wide open. I have spoken with a lot of people that have done the conversion and it was not a cheap exercise. To do it properly with a new crate motor, I would not expect much change out of $15k maybe more. I have heard of it costing up to $20k. Even with a second hand motor I would expect $10k plus and would recon the engine before fitting.
Its things like radiator, custom hoses, wiring, changes to the harness, air con, power steering mods, extractors / exhaust down to mounts, bellhousing and a gearbox that will handle the power. Even inspection and certification costs must be included to give a real costing. Then there is labour if there are things you can not do your self. While it is a simple conversion it is generally not as cheap as most people may infer.
Anyway good luck as I think it would be a good project and it will be informative to hear and see how you go.
:D:D

I thought about this. Radiator will remain rover. Aircond??? wat is that?, power steer will be custom braided hoses, engine mounts $210, adaptor to lt230 $1200, wiring $400, new L76 engine (long) $3960, the only thing i dont have a price on is the auto and so far havnt had much luck getting the info I need in that department.

I do agree thou that whatever i think it is goin to cost I am goin to allow atleast 50% more before I spend a cent.

Cheers
Grimace
15th September 2009, 06:54 PM
andrew e

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Originally Posted by Grimace

All the diesel arguements, and hidden amongst them is this little gem!

Tell me more about the combo and how much for the motor alone.

Have since learnt that the 4l60 is to be replaced with a 4l80 as marks has a adaptor kit to suit the LT230 tcase and the 4l60 wont work with my configuration.

Call sean at abt. The motor was meant to go into the firetruck jeep, but plans changed. He may not still even have it, as he told me about it last year, i thought i would get you excited though.:D

Andy
16th September 2009, 04:06 AM
Dougal

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Originally Posted by Grimace

I thought about this. Radiator will remain rover. Aircond??? wat is that?, power steer will be custom braided hoses, engine mounts $210, adaptor to lt230 $1200, wiring $400, new L76 engine (long) $3960, the only thing i dont have a price on is the auto and so far havnt had much luck getting the info I need in that department.

I do agree thou that whatever i think it is goin to cost I am goin to allow atleast 50% more before I spend a cent.

Cheers
Grimace

How much will you have to push the LT230 back to fit the longer box and adapter?
Do modified driveshafts, transfer mounts and transfer linkages fit into the budget?

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