dead td5 what to replace with

**bruiser69** · 16th December 2009, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by flyfish1

my 130 has died, and as I now feel disapointed with their reliability , I dont really want to replace it with another td5. Although it has been an impressive motor I have also not skimped on services and replacement on any parts that seemed suss I have easily spend around $10k per year since 2001, in that time I have had the cooling system rebuilt once and replaced once, anything that needed doing was done no questions asked . So I might be cynical but I feel very disapointed with it, last week after a service which included the oil cooler being replaced and cost over $2k the motor **** itself on the way home.As my car has had many thousands spent on it, to get it to how I want it with air compressors and air tanks hot water showers etc I really cant junk it and plan to fix it, hiowever I am not really sure if I want to put another td5 in it as they might be to light weight to really be long lived, does anyone have a opinion on what to do.Any advice is appreciated.

What exactly went wrong with the motor? Was it related to the service?
If so you would have a good case for compensation.
I had a radiator replaced by non LR mechanic & next day I was driving to the Coast & saw steam coming from bonnet. They hadn't fitted top hose clamp..it was down at the bottom & had never been tightened!
Fortunately I stopped engine before head was damaged. I refilled radiator & fitted hose clamp and drove it home. Boy did mechanic look sheepish when i confronted him. I got him to promise if there was any engine damage that he would pay for it in full. That was 80K ago so I guess no damage.
Cheers..B

**strangy** · 16th December 2009, 10:55 AM

Please tell us what happened to the motor. This might be important for you later.

Engine coversions are often bigger than you imagine, even with the "everything you need" kits, little ancilleries, like hoses etc. adding up.
I would go another TD5. Any other engine will have to be at least 2001 vintage or newer to be legal for starters. ( I assume its a 2001 truck?)

I guess you dont need to hear this,.... I dont think your mechanic has done you any favours by recommending or suggesting that the $ you have been outlaying in Maintenance is acceptable, I would have ditched the whole vehicle in the 2nd year before I spent 16k and onwards. It seems you have had an absolute pig of motor / vehicle and a mechanic who is happy to take your $ without any concern for you.

Based on what you have said, I would not have any confidence in that vehicle or the people maintaining it.

Maybe pull your accesories off and ditch the whole show and the mechanic for a ,............dare I say Toyota

Just joking.

cheers

**clean32** · 16th December 2009, 11:03 AM

forget about the TD5 its dead history.

but ask your self why the izusu bunch
1 doint sell there wagons often
2 fitt the isuzu to every other 110
3 fitt the isuzu to just about every thing else, S111 to P38s and discos.
4 thouse who bag the isuzu doint own one.

but then again, any swap will not be cheep. just drop in another td5 and do another 270 000 klms

**strangy** · 16th December 2009, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by clean32

forget about the TD5 its dead history.

Yes but no....There is something quite wrong here with the money been spent and IMO needs to be sorted.
$80k in 8 yrs on maintenance.........thats almost a brand new motor every year and a new vehicle in 5 or 6 if you traded it.
There are light aircraft operating for less than that.
You could do so much more with those $ than what has been and if this is associated with the maintenance rather than an unfortunate lemon.......the problems will continue regardles of transplant.

cheers

Tombie · 16th December 2009, 11:57 AM

Engine swaps for a TD5 Defender will be limited due to ADRs

Engine must comply with emmisions at time of manufacture OR newer.

So...

TDI - Out
Isuzu - Out

I agree with the others, you've been stitched up somewhere...

No way it should need that much spent if your not abusing it.

**Psimpson7** · 16th December 2009, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by clean32

4 thouse who bag the isuzu doint own one.

And those who bag TD5's generally also dont own one, know nothing about them, and in most cases probably haven't driven one either.

Agree with the posts about finding out what actually failed.

As Tombie has said legally the engine swap will have to be newer than the car, and also have all the emissions control stuff it was fitted with in the original car.

**whitakerb** · 16th December 2009, 12:06 PM

Maxion in Brazil are building the Tdi, except they have made it a 2.8 and bolted on a variable vane turbo. Any chance that these would pass ADR?

Ben

**TonyC** · 16th December 2009, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie2

Engine swaps for a TD5 Defender will be limited due to ADRs

Engine must comply with emmisions at time of manufacture OR newer.

So...

TDI - Out
Isuzu - Out

I agree with the others, you've been stitched up somewhere...

No way it should need that much spent if your not abusing it.

ADR 30 applied to vehicles up to Oct 2006.

My Isuzu County compiled to ADR 30, I'm not sure if it was 30/00 or 30/01
I assume the 300 Tdi compiles to ADR 30 but I can't find any thing on it

So a pre 06 Diesel LR should only need to meet ADR30/00 should it not?

I'm only guessing here, I've never had the need to find out for sure.

All that said and that I would love another Isuzu, the TD5 would seem the best bet.

Tony

**Blknight.aus** · 16th December 2009, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by harlie

Kidding right? The Detroit 53, 71, and 92 series are 2 strokes, even the US is banning their use in some states (other than on gas), Aus banned them fitted in new vehicles about '94. The 3-53 is not exactly a gutsy piece either, lets not mention spares, or weather it can be registered.

I agree with TonyC swapping to something obscure will be blow out both in cost and time.

dead serious...

a 53 with the ddec in it will pass current emmsions... a 3-53 is good for around 170ish hp depending on how its setup more than enough for a landy.

**justinc** · 16th December 2009, 08:31 PM

Leave the Td5 in, a very strong and efficient engine and you have been very unlucky with that one by the sounds of it

An engine manufactured post 2002, fitted with good cooling system protection like engine saver, inspected oil pump bolt and a Tombie2 chip and EGR bypass will easily last the distance if serviced properly.

I wouldn't hesitate to say easily 350,000+km IMHO.

JC

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