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Thread: GOT TO MATE A 4JB1T ENGINE WITH A R380 GEARBOX, ANY HELP WOULD BE HOT!

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    Bekuo Guest

    GOT TO MATE A 4JB1T ENGINE WITH A R380 GEARBOX, ANY HELP WOULD BE HOT!

    Hello everyone!
    Well, I own a 1987 90, it has the 2.5 TD Land Rover engine, but the LT77 gearbox was replaced with a R380 one. As you may imagine, the 2.5 TD is way underpowered and the R380 expects more torque and HP, so basically the car is a giant turtle. So I am going to fit an Isuzu 4JB1T engine to it.
    I've done a few research, as well as my own test and fail approaches, and so far I believe I can do it fair easily if a use a clutch plate and bearing for a 300 Tdi and the rest of the clutch kit (cover and spigot bush) for the Isuzu engine. Just wanted to know if someone has done something similar so I can get a guide to follow.
    An important issue is that I have the "short bellhousing" attached to the R380, so I hope I won't have to use anything else than an adapter plate to do it.
    Thanks a lot!
    Cheers!

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    grnrvrs Guest
    Have you looked at Land Rover conversions - M&D Engineering ?

    They have a few kits to adapt the 4JB1 to various LR transmissions.

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    Bekuo Guest
    Yep, I have, I wish I had one of those kits here!
    The thing is that I am in Costa Rica, so the shipping of one of those kits would be a little bit expensive, therefore I have to build up a "tropical solution" for it.
    Thanks for the reply, I am going to ask them, maybe I can get some help from them.
    Regards!

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    There have been far more 4JB1T's fitted to Land Rovers in the UK than here in Australia.

    You may get more help from some of the forums over there, such as LR4x4 - I suggest you ask in the International Forum there - I did a quick search of the forum with Isuzu and it revealed many posts about the Isuzu 2.8 engine.

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    Thanks a lot! Gotta take my virtual plane to UK then! I hope you don't mind if I stick around, I really like Australia and hope to be there someday, know the Outback and all the stuff, you have quite a reputation for adventure!

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    No problems.

    I hope you have some luck, but unless you purchase a kit such as from M&D, or someone comes forth with the info, then you will have to do some measuring and make your own adaptor.

    Be careful using a 300Tdi clutch plate. 300Tdi clutches don't last when used reasonably hard with a stock 300tdi engine.

    With a 300tdi, it is better to use a clutch from a 130 Defender 300Tdi they are the heaviest duty, but possibly no difference in clutch plate.

    IMHO the diameter is too small. Clamping pressure is another factor for torque transmission.

    I don't know what the diameter of the 4JB1T clutch is. If it is the same as 300Tdi, then the Isuzu pressure plate with a 300Tdi clutch plate may be ok.

    IIRC the 300Tdi clutch is 235mm (9-1/4") diameter.

    I know someone here is considering something similar to you with a short bell housing R380, but hasn't found a 4JB1T engine yet (so engine may change depending what turns up).

    If you can keep us updated with your progress and information about the conversion, others will be interested.

    Good luck.

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    I will be doing a similar conversion soon, 4JB1T (or newer 4J) into a IIA. I have the R380 and LT230, but still need all the other parts.

    Since I want to keep the original grille in place, I either need one of these bellhousings:
    Ashcroft Transmissions

    And one of these:
    Land Rover conversions - M&D Engineering

    Or need to make up my own adaptor using the long bellhousing.

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    Bekuo Guest
    Hello again!
    I think I am going to use the M&D kit, number 204. Land Rover conversions - M&D Engineering. I certainly don't want "luck" here, I need to gain reliability, so I am going to avoid walking the path alone if someone else already did it and have a guaranteed kit available. It certainly can be a little bit more expensive than a home made tropical solution, but I've seen people around here doing the same thing twice (or more ), so early savings may become later looses.

    About the clutch issue, the Defender clutch disc's diameter is 235mm., as you pointed, the 4JB1 flywheel's is 240 mm., and I found that the 2.5 TD uses a Verto diaphragm spring 242,1 diameter, so I have to check all this data (the 2.5 TD's may be bigger, but I think it's not designed to manage that much torque). My bet would be to use the 130 Defender's clutch disc, what do you think about the 5 mm. difference?
    To set the right clamping pressure to the clutch disc, I thought this procedure may work well: I just need to check the thickness of the Defender's clutch disc, if it is thicker than the 4jb1t's, I'd just need to build and adapter (we call it "a flanger", don“t know if the word has the same use over there) for the pressure plate, if thinner, the opposite, machine the base a little so the pressure plate goes "deeper", so it gets exactly the pressure needed. What do you think? (You can slap me if you see I am going to make a mess! Please! )

    My main concern is to avoid at all cost to modify the gearbox power takeoff splines, as well as using a custom made clutch disc.

    About the Ashcroft Transmissions Short Bellhousing, I find it quite expensive! I found mine in a LR scrapeyard, taken from a Tdi engine, and I paid about $150 USD (about 160 AUD, if my Forex skills are not that rusty ).

    Thanks a lot for all your posts and your interest!

    I'll keep you posted.

    Regards!
    LB.

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