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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    You've got two competing factors.
    1 is higher air density which means higher mass flow and should drive the turbine a bit better to provide more boost.
    2 is the cooler egt's which mean less energy to the turbine and reduce boost.

    I don't know which one wins overall, but that's for boost measured at the turbo.
    Restriction from the intercooler itself will always mean lower pressure at the manifold but it shouldn't be that much.
    Dougal- I am not sure of your comment No 1, it seems to be confusing to me, isn't the turbine driven by combustion gases pushed and scavenged out, so how dose the intake density of the air effect this.

    I thought the density of the air only plays a part during the combustion phase, producing a better burn ie more power as a result thus you use less throttle which results in less fuel which means less boost but same power.

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    I went for a test run today and under hard accelaration I had a temp difference off 90 degrees. At high way speeds 105km results before was 24deg I think it was,now it's 40deg difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambrover View Post
    Dougal- I am not sure of your comment No 1, it seems to be confusing to me, isn't the turbine driven by combustion gases pushed and scavenged out, so how dose the intake density of the air effect this.

    I thought the density of the air only plays a part during the combustion phase, producing a better burn ie more power as a result thus you use less throttle which results in less fuel which means less boost but same power.
    The mass flow through the engine is the same everywhere (if you ignore ring blowby) so the intercooler getting higher density air into the cylinders means that extra air also has to exit through the turbo and exhaust.
    More flow through the turbine should drive it harder.

    To get the same power at less boost you have to alter the turbo system to provide less total boost. Either a bigger turbine housing or let the wastegate open earlier.
    But that's for boost at max power, at cruising loads you've got a lot of competing factors.

    If you keep the same max boost, you're basically setting up the system for more power through intercooling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambrover View Post
    I got the aluminium radiator 2in core from frozen boost, I got some hoses and the bosch water pump.

    I like your template should work a treat there.

    As you may know I mounted my radiator in the bonnet. ......

    next year I want to change to a bigger radiator and scoop and fit a thermo, see how much cooler I can get it.
    Mate do have the type 117 or 118 IC radiator, and do you have any scoop fitted to the bonnet to push air through the IC radiator?
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    I have the 117 type

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    In the future I will change to a bigger one, like the No100 I think that would be a lot better.

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    So what your saying dougal is that to get rid of the black smoke without turning boost up (which will give more max power) I need to get a different housing that will flow more air ? At a lower rpm which means I do not have to run as much boost?
    Also found that the td5 turbo I hav on there cannot be adjusted to produce any less than 13psi so who knows how much it will go up to

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambrover View Post
    In the future I will change to a bigger one, like the No100 I think that would be a lot better.
    So you think the bigger flat surface area would be more efficient? The 100 & 117 are the same size in cubic centermeters so I assume the surface area of the cooling fins woul be similar.
    Do you think the 100 type would fit under the bonnet?
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    Perentie 110 wagon ARN 49-107 (probably selling) turbo, p/steer, RFSV front axle/trutrack, HF, gullwing windows, double jerrys etc.
    Perentie 110 wagon ARN 48-699 another project
    Track Trailer ARN 200-117
    REMLR # 137

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    rar110- when you look at my photo you can see that the radiator sits proud, to get clearance above the motor so half out the top and half in-side, I would like a thinner core one so I could fit a thermo on as well. My radiator is mounted directly to the bonnet so lifts out of the way when it's lifted, gives easier access to the rocker cover and manifolds if needed.
    I do feel a thinner wider core would be better. My radiator I cut the filler neck of and welded different brackets to the sides, the build quality of the intercooler barrel itself is good but the radiator could be better, it still works fine though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c.h.i.e.f View Post
    So what your saying dougal is that to get rid of the black smoke without turning boost up (which will give more max power) I need to get a different housing that will flow more air ? At a lower rpm which means I do not have to run as much boost?
    Also found that the td5 turbo I hav on there cannot be adjusted to produce any less than 13psi so who knows how much it will go up to
    No.
    If you have black smoke you need more boost. Boost doesn't give power, fuel gives power. Boost gives you the ability to burn more fuel.

    Set the boost to 15psi if you can and start taking measurements from there. You can use a bike pump and pressure gauge to set the wastegate opening pressures without the engine running.

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