Turbos that work on a 4BD1.

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27th November 2019, 11:59 AM
ChrisBro

Is this worth putting in?

My Perenetie GS came with a cardboard box in the back. Inside it was a turbo that the previous owner was going to install.

It came with a manifold, a few pipes (not sure if they fit) bango's, gaskets, half finished dump pipe adaptor and SAAS ETG.... almost there!

Compressor is Garrett A/R 80 M24 (T25g I think)
Turbine is Garret R64

Is this worth putting in, is to too big and what sort of performance would it produce?

I'm just looking for a bit more juice from the old girl, especially on the hills so I don't have to change down so much.
28th November 2019, 02:00 PM
Zcoota

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisBro

My Perenetie GS came with a cardboard box in the back. Inside it was a turbo that the previous owner was going to install.

It came with a manifold, a few pipes (not sure if they fit) bango's, gaskets, half finished dump pipe adaptor and SAAS ETG.... almost there!

Compressor is Garrett A/R 80 M24 (T25g I think)
Turbine is Garret R64

Is this worth putting in, is to too big and what sort of performance would it produce?

I'm just looking for a bit more juice from the old girl, especially on the hills so I don't have to change down so much.

Definitely a bad idea to fit this....really bad... but I'm happy to buy the kit off you to fit to my County....errrrr I meant ease your pain [bighmmm][bigsmile]
29th November 2019, 07:39 AM
rar110

Turbos that work on a 4BD1.

I’ve never understood the markings on Garrett turbos. I would take it to a shop to see what they say.

If it’s the T25 fitted to the Perentie 6x6 then you should know many people have upgraded these.

T28 size (or T3 which can be broadly similar other than flange size - there’s lots of variation within T3) generally seems a better turbo for these motors.
4th December 2019, 11:28 AM
ChrisBro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zcoota

Definitely a bad idea to fit this....really bad... but I'm happy to buy the kit off you to fit to my County....errrrr I meant ease your pain [bighmmm][bigsmile]

Seriously... is this worth pursuing or should I bin it and buy something new?
4th December 2019, 09:03 PM
Bearman

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisBro

Seriously... is this worth pursuing or should I bin it and buy something new?

Can you put up a photo of the setup so we can have a look at it.

some hopefully useful information

I know this is probably not exactly helpful to answer question "Turbos that work on a 4BD1.", so I apologise, but I would just like to share some information I gathered when doing research for which turbo to choose, I haven't found a more suitable place for it.
This information is gathered from the Internet, so may not be 100% accurate.

compressor Turbine

model OEM part A/R TRIM ind (mm) exd (mm) A/R TRIM ind (mm) exd (mm) cm^2 flange air in" air out" wg psi max airflow lb/min factory engine notes

HX30W 4040382 4040353 3592318 CUMMINS 4BTA 3.9L 44 0.41 6 T3 3 57 20 3.9 4BTA laggy 27psi county (my experience)

GT2252 452187-6 0.51 60 40 52 0.67 72 50 43 T25 14.7 second hand experience chokes top end

GT2252S 709693-0001 709693-5001S T25 14.7 3L BD30Ti nissan cabstar 3.0d 115hp BD30Ti

GT2554R 0.8 60 42 54 0.64 62 53 42 T25 slightly faster spool better than the 2252, less restrictive exhaust

GT2560R 0.8 60 46 60 0.64 62 53 42 T25

GT2259 452214-3 0.42 52 42.8 59.4 0.56 72 50.3 T25

GT2259LS 4891639, 504094261 0.61 0.56 3? T25 3.9/4.0L E17, AE0481G Iveco Eurocargo F4AE0481 3.9L 504094261

TB03404

EFR6258 0.64 62.46097815 49 62 58 T25

HE200WG 53.00 40.60 56.00 0.87 79.00 46.60 41.30 4.00 T25 31.6

HE200WG 3796174 49.97 41.00 58.00 84.03 48.00 44.00

HE221W 5.00 T25 57.00

HE221W 3782369 1.00 80.58 48.46 43.50 5.50 T25 57.00

HE221W 4043944 6.00

HE221W 0.49 7.00 T25 57.00

HE250WG 48.00 53.00 10.00

TB2518 8944805770, 8944805870 0.48 0.89 T3 free 4BD1T/4BD2T 3.9L laggy 5-14psi 21sec quarter mile (my experience)

TD04HL-19T 301-02001-265 67.47 46.00 56.00 76.90 52.00 45.60 6.00 T25 14.7 from the internet: "I run peak boost of 13psi and at Highway speeds under heavy load my EGT maxes out at around 550-600. From reports this seems almost identical to the KLR setup. Using this setup I was able set and currently hold the world record for a Perentie down the quarter mile of 19.812 seconds."

TD04HL-20T Kinugawa Billet Turbocharger TD04HL-20T / T3 Flange 320P 65.67 47.00 58.00 76.90 52.00 45.60 T3 2.20 2.00 14.7

TD05H-18G-6cm 0.60 55.15 50.50 68.00 77.19 56.00 49.20 6.00 T3 3.00 2.00

TD05H-20G-6cm 0.60 59.61 52.50 68.00 77.19 56.00 49.20 6.00 T3 3.00 2.00 from the internet: The trim of a wheel, whether compressor or turbine, affects performance by shifting the airflow capacity. All other factors held constant, a higher trim wheel will flow more than a smaller trim wheel.

TD05H-16G 4M41T 0.60 50.45 48.30 68.00 41.00 77.19 56.00 49.20 6.00 T3 3.00 2.00

HX27 39.70 56.00 5.00

HX27 5.00 3.9 4BTAA

HT18 TD42 0.65 T3

6th December 2019, 08:26 PM
Judo

Nice chart.

A few of us run the TD04HL-19T including myself. I have the waste gate wired shut. Usual driving up through the gears I hit 18-20 psi. Can easy get low 20's pushing it up a hill. It builds pressure quite fast at low revs, so lag is not an issue. I would certainly buy this size again if I needed a new turbo.
6th December 2019, 08:42 PM
rar110

I get up to 25 psi out of my T28R, with wastegate de-activated.
7th December 2019, 09:24 AM
Zcoota

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisBro

Seriously... is this worth pursuing or should I bin it and buy something new?

Just me being a smart-arse. I can't really comment about the actual turbo, I don't know enough about them. As to turbo-ing the beastie I can't say I've heard to many arguments against it other than overdoing things and breaking the gearbox.
8th December 2019, 08:24 PM
Fubar

99' 130 CC

Make: Holset 'Churbo' (One of the red units sold on ebay a while back, mine got cleaned up before sale but there was still small flecks of red on it.)
Model: HX30W
A/R: Don't know
Original: 99' Td5/R380 etc
Comments: Hits 22psi, 3" IC with 2.5" pipes, 3" mandrel with straight through hot dog, a little laggy and rolling coal between 2nd to 3rd if I'm not careful.... suspect I'll get a notice from the EPA if I drive it through city areas too often. Fresh reco'd IP and fuel turned up. It's ok but I'd prefer to have more torque down low like the KLR units have (I drove one last year). Will pull quite well in 5th (MSA-5R) at 110 on any highway hill, if it drops below 100 when loaded up it can struggle to pick up again (235/85/16, stock diffs & 1.2 in the T/case)

https://photos.smugmug.com/4BD1T/i-k..._161349-X2.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/4BD1T/i-8..._211609-XL.jpg

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		compressor				Turbine
model	OEM part	A/R	TRIM	ind (mm)	exd (mm)	A/R	TRIM	ind (mm)	exd (mm)	cm^2	flange	air in"	air out"	wg psi	max airflow lb/min	factory engine	notes
HX30W	4040382 4040353 3592318 CUMMINS 4BTA 3.9L			44		0.41				6	T3	3	57	20		3.9 4BTA	laggy 27psi county (my experience)
GT2252	452187-6	0.51	60	40	52	0.67	72	50	43		T25			14.7			second hand experience chokes top end
GT2252S	709693-0001 709693-5001S										T25			14.7		3L BD30Ti	nissan cabstar 3.0d 115hp BD30Ti
GT2554R		0.8	60	42	54	0.64	62	53	42		T25						slightly faster spool better than the 2252, less restrictive exhaust
GT2560R		0.8	60	46	60	0.64	62	53	42		T25
GT2259	452214-3	0.42	52	42.8	59.4	0.56	72	50.3			T25
GT2259LS	4891639, 504094261	0.61				0.56				3?	T25					3.9/4.0L E17, AE0481G	Iveco Eurocargo F4AE0481 3.9L 504094261
TB03404
EFR6258		0.64	62.46097815	49	62			58			T25
HE200WG			53.00	40.60	56.00	0.87	79.00	46.60	41.30	4.00	T25				31.6
HE200WG	3796174		49.97	41.00	58.00		84.03	48.00	44.00
HE221W										5.00	T25		57.00
HE221W	3782369					1.00	80.58	48.46	43.50	5.50	T25		57.00
HE221W	4043944									6.00
HE221W						0.49				7.00	T25		57.00
HE250WG				48.00	53.00					10.00
TB2518	8944805770, 8944805870	0.48				0.89					T3			free		4BD1T/4BD2T 3.9L	laggy 5-14psi 21sec quarter mile (my experience)
TD04HL-19T	301-02001-265		67.47	46.00	56.00		76.90	52.00	45.60	6.00	T25			14.7			from the internet: "I run peak boost of 13psi and at Highway speeds under heavy load my EGT maxes out at around 550-600. From reports this seems almost identical to the KLR setup. Using this setup I was able set and currently hold the world record for a Perentie down the quarter mile of 19.812 seconds."
TD04HL-20T	Kinugawa Billet Turbocharger TD04HL-20T / T3 Flange 320P		65.67	47.00	58.00		76.90	52.00	45.60		T3	2.20	2.00	14.7
TD05H-18G-6cm		0.60	55.15	50.50	68.00		77.19	56.00	49.20	6.00	T3	3.00	2.00
TD05H-20G-6cm		0.60	59.61	52.50	68.00		77.19	56.00	49.20	6.00	T3	3.00	2.00				from the internet: The trim of a wheel, whether compressor or turbine, affects performance by shifting the airflow capacity. All other factors held constant, a higher trim wheel will flow more than a smaller trim wheel.
TD05H-16G 4M41T		0.60	50.45	48.30	68.00	41.00	77.19	56.00	49.20	6.00	T3	3.00	2.00
HX27						39.70		56.00		5.00
HX27										5.00						3.9 4BTAA
HT18	TD42					0.65					T3