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    How many Amps does the starter use?

    I've been searching around, but i can't find any details for the standard 12v one. After a short recently I'm thinking of fitting a large marine circuit breaker, but I'm not sure how many amps are needed when it cranks..

    I found a post by Dougal mentioning between 300-500 Amps, but that seems way to much??
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    between 300 and 400 amps (theres lots of things that vary it, temperature, condition of batteries voltage on batteries)

    the draw can go as high as 700 Amps.

    I work my cable runs (positive and earth) for diesel starters on 500amps petrols around 250A
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    Thanks.. The highest amp rating breaker I can find is 350. Maybe this wont work..
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    Quote Originally Posted by flagg View Post
    Thanks.. The highest amp rating breaker I can find is 350. Maybe this wont work..
    Are you after a circuit breaker or a disconnect switch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveG View Post
    Are you after a circuit breaker or a disconnect switch?

    Steve
    I was hoping for a breaker that I could push a button to trip, effectively having a switch too. Reason being my old battery switch had a plastic leaver which melted when I needed it most. If I can't bet a breaker ill go for a proper truck style isolator that is all metal, with a removable 'key'. (Wont get hot)
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    Quote Originally Posted by flagg View Post
    I was hoping for a breaker that I could push a button to trip, effectively having a switch too. Reason being my old battery switch had a plastic leaver which melted when I needed it most. If I can't bet a breaker ill go for a proper truck style isolator that is all metal, with a removable 'key'. (Wont get hot)
    Was your old switch one of the black plastic ones with the small red key? If so then I've got a similar one fitted to the County as a main disconnect switch. Might need to review that in light of your experience with them.

    I can't help with circuit breakers, but some of the Blue Sea battery switches on eBay have pretty hefty current capacity - like this one: m-Series Battery Switch, Single Circuit ON-OFF - PN 6006 - Blue Sea Systems
    I've got one as my dual battery "link" switch and its a nice piece of gear. Probably complete overkill but the shape and mounting arrangement suited me.

    I'm wondering if a circuit breaker is actually going to give you the protection you intend it to. As far as I know, an eg 20A circuit breaker doesn't trigger instantly as soon as it sees 20A - it will pass more than that for a while until it triggers. If it sees 40A it should probably go instantly.
    You'd have to select one that would handle cranking current for a short time but still trigger below what the wiring can handle continuously or its going to make smoke if anything big shorts out.
    If you achieve that balance with say a 350A breaker, then what happens next? How long can batteries handle a few hundred amps?
    Apart from the cost perspective, I wonder if that's why you don't find circuit breakers on starter motor circuits?

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    The fact that the starter motor can draw such a varied current makes me think that a breaker (if one rated high enough even exists) would be a bad idea. Breakers are good for circuits that have a constant load - anything above the ordinary will trip it.

    The current to the starter motor will vary, sometimes to large degrees, depending on battery condition, engine condition, starter condition, put a little more than normal load on the starter and the current draw will spike by quite a bit. I'm imagining a scenario where you need that little bit more cranking power to start, and right as it's about to turn over, the breaker clicks in.

    Like Steve, I use a dual battery marine breaker bolted to the passenger side seat box. Allows me to kill everything at a twist of a switch, or I can link up the batteries for a cold start if it's needed. They're pretty bulletproof - can't imagine mine melting anytime soon.

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