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    Ideal boost at cruising speed

    I'm wondering what people see as the ideal boost for cruising as I think mine is too high. Maximum boost is around 22 when accelerating hard through gears, when doing 100 or 80 it can sit on 14-16. Is this too high? Any issue running this boost for sustained periods? EGT is fine, I rarely see above 400 post turbo. This is a 4BD1T engine with a VVT turbo not 4BD1 with added turbo.

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    depends on the load and operating conditions.

    I cruise around the tdi300's at 10-11 psi boost at 105kph in the disco.
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    IMHO your boost pressure at cruise is too high. And will most likely be hurting your fuel consumption though too high a ration of drive pressure to boost pressure.

    Ideally you want the variable nozzle to open (and therefore reduce drive pressure) when you lift your foot to cruise and close when you push it down to accelerate hard.

    This involves extra complexity with the accelerator position here is a link to what someone has done on a merc diesel I have see other solutions, a LR Tdi for example, but have lost the link unfortunately.

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    I agree with John...for example my boost at cruise was around 7-8psi and max boost was 30psi with a exhaust A/R of 0.50 on a turbo that is not suitable for what I wanted....I havnt played with the vnt's however sounds to me as though something is not quite right with vane position.

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    Re: Ideal boost at cruising speed

    Thanks guys. Looks like I have some playing to do.

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    At cruise my boost is around 7psi, with max boost around 18psi (conventional T25 turbo).

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    Quote Originally Posted by inside View Post
    Thanks guys. Looks like I have some playing to do.
    The first thing I suggest, is to measure the drive pressure (pressure in the exhaust manifold) also commonly called TIP (turbine inlet pressure).

    If this pressure is less than the boost pressure, then don't be too concerned.

    However if the turbine nozzle is causing to much restriction (which is how it increases TIP so the turbine can develop the torque necessary to drive the compressor faster), then you are loosing power and wasting fuel for no good reason.

    the grubb on here was building a programmable controller for his VNT turbo and others have done the same - see this link This is the most flexible way to get the best from a VNT.

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    What is your cruising rpm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bush65 View Post
    The first thing I suggest, is to measure the drive pressure (pressure in the exhaust manifold) also commonly called TIP (turbine inlet pressure).

    If this pressure is less than the boost pressure, then don't be too concerned.

    However if the turbine nozzle is causing to much restriction (which is how it increases TIP so the turbine can develop the torque necessary to drive the compressor faster), then you are loosing power and wasting fuel for no good reason.
    I see what you're saying but it just doesn't sound like fun.

    My problem I think is the vacuum on the actuator is too strong so it's not moving away even when boost increases. If I fix the strength of the vacuum I think the actuator will be more free to move.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    What is your cruising rpm?
    The Ashcroft calculator says 1872 at 80kph and 2340 at 100kph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inside View Post
    The Ashcroft calculator says 1872 at 80kph and 2340 at 100kph.
    If you had that boost at 3,000rpm I could understand. But at those revs you really have a problem.
    If you can measure turbo drive pressure (line to the exhaust manifold) you'll see that drive pressure rises compared to boost as EGT's drop. My setup runs about 12/13 psi drive for 8/9psi boost at cruise. You are likely running around 20psi drive pressure at that boost.

    Dropping boost (to a level that maintains safe cruise EGT) will drop the drive pressure and reduce engine load significantly.

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