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    Quote Originally Posted by workingonit View Post
    To some extent I'd agree with you. My MIG started to 'not start' so had to resort to 30 year old 140 amp push pull stick which struggles at max amps to some extent. The internal brace plating is v'eed, and not just butted, and welded both sides. The little vertical is just some lumps I dropped on - the opposing top weld (not shown) is full penetration and ground back to ensure no porosity. And the little ball bearings are from first attempted runs with the faulty MIG using core flux. Gave up and ran the stick over. Have since taken the MIG apart from hand piece to circuit boards - no obvious sign of the problem - fiddled with every connector and now wants to work.
    probably a better welder, try 2.5mm rods

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    make sure your liner and hand piece are all clean mine was jammed up with crap from the gas-less wire all good now. Gas-less machine can get good penetration if you want.

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    85 county, I was using 2.5mm rods - would have liked to try smaller but used them up years ago.

    gavo, thanks for the advice, but I don't think it was a liner/crud issue as the machine has not seen a lot of work. I took most of the machine apart and could not find an obvious fault. I believe the main issue lies in either the electronic control system or poor connections.

    Something I didn't think of until recently was possible voltage drop on a 15 meter 15 amp extension cord?

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    What does a weld look like if you crank the welder all the way up and lay down a bead on some 10 mm flat plate?

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    85county, pm sent.

    Before you invest time in a similar design to Outcast's shaft (or Sheldon's) you should check out Ancient Mariners alternative - see link in previous post.

    If I understand AM and others correctly, it would appear to cope better with misalignments - and if it did break it would be much easier to remove and replace.

    If the guys go ahead and machine some I will be raising my hand for one.

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    I definitely will be going ahead, i have no choice as i am now shaftless😕

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    Damien, you've got your own little bit of Dakar going on At least the days are long!

    From memory the Outcast casing is 173 mm and Sheldon's is 175 mm.

    The Outcast shaft is 184 mm long. Not sure how long the one made by Sheldon. My guess is only a few mm between them.

    If you get something made following AM's design to fit a Sheldon case then it should fit the Outcast case, in which case I'd be interested. Just keep in mind my query as to whether you are using the long or short spline input gear. I get the impression from Sheldon's photos it was made for the short, but I could be wrong. I intend using the long spline input gear. I bought mine from MRAuto a couple of years ago for $250 if memory serves me correctly, so not overly expensive.

    85 county was interested in the measurements I posted, but 85county says he could not see them. I assume he's clicked on the image to enlarge it. But given AM's posting of a floating shaft 85 county should first consider it and what you may do before doing anything else.

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    Will get it out in the morning, i can measure it up.
    I was unaware of spline length in the input gear. My shaft has wear marks on it about 10mm in from the end then about another 45mm, guessing the are from the start and end of the splines on the gear.
    Will know more tomorrow .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vern View Post
    Will get it out in the morning, i can measure it up.
    I was unaware of spline length in the intermediate gear. My shaft has wear marks on it about 10mm in from the end then about another 45mm, guessing the are from the start and end of the splines on the gear.
    Will know more tomorrow .
    IIRC, all the 1.003 input gears are short spline. There's no long spline option.

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