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    Possible engine upgrade.

    G'day all,

    It's been a while since I used these forums, and I've never had need of the Isuzu section - until now!

    Those with a great memory will remember me as the fella who bought Jock's 110 2-door hard-top off him a few years ago.

    Well, the old girl has been quite faithful to me, although I've had to replace a few things lately. I finally added longer rear-shockies to make use of the dislocation cones, and I added shorter front shock turrets because one of the original ones cracked. etc etc

    Now, just after recently doing a lot of other work to the truck, my head decided to go and develop a hole. Being a Turner performance head, I wouldn't settle for anything less if I was to replace it, and my general philosophy with the truck so far has been to upgrade anything that breaks where feasible.

    Here's where you lot come in. I'm looking at dropping a 4BD1 into it.

    First question: Is the only difference between the 4BD1 and the 4BD1T the addition of the turbo? Would I be able to use my Garrett GT22V VNT Turbo on a NA 4BD1 and save myself some cost/make sourcing a motor easier?

    My current engine bay setup is quite impressive, and I'm also wondering how much of it would be able to remain. I have LPG Fumigation, an upgraded intercooler (have to have a look to see what make it is, and truck is in the shop currently), 3-inch Mandrel bent exhaust, 100 amp alternator, not to mention the heavy duty Xtreme Outback 4WD Performance Clutch, amongst other things.

    Also, does anyone have any suggestions as to where I could best get this work done in the Brisbane area? I'm about to be extremely busy for the next 6 months or so, and I'm extremely under-qualified to do this sort of work myself.

    Comments and suggestions all welcome. Thanks in advance!

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    The factory turbo engines has oil coolers that squirt oil under the piston, a different rocker cover and oil filter setup.

    The oil squirters stop the pistons from melting at high EGT. You dont need them, but will mean you can tune it to go harder.

    You will need to modify your exhaust, your intercooler piping. Don't think you'll be able to re-use your clutch or alt without machining up an adaptor.

    Not sure about the turbo.. may be a little small and not have to top end.

    Not sure how much a turner performance head is, but converting to a 4db1 will cost a lot.. (and be worth it IMO ahahaha )
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    Quote Originally Posted by flagg View Post
    The factory turbo engines has oil coolers that squirt oil under the piston, a different rocker cover and oil filter setup.

    The oil squirters stop the pistons from melting at high EGT. You dont need them, but will mean you can tune it to go harder.

    You will need to modify your exhaust, your intercooler piping. Don't think you'll be able to re-use your clutch or alt without machining up an adaptor.

    Not sure about the turbo.. may be a little small and not have to top end.

    Not sure how much a turner performance head is, but converting to a 4db1 will cost a lot.. (and be worth it IMO ahahaha )
    Got a quote for head replacement and all that entails at $5187, so already looking at a large figure, whatever I do. Though, that may also cover the clutch slave cylinder replacement I'm having done as well, I have to check.

    I wonder what the market is for a relatively low-kms 300tdi sans-head? Already looking at ways to recuperate some of the cost. hehehe (kill me)

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    diferent strength crank, pistons and rods.

    not essential but reccoemnded if your going to give it a good talking to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timbo View Post
    Got a quote for head replacement and all that entails at $5187, so already looking at a large figure, whatever I do. Though, that may also cover the clutch slave cylinder replacement I'm having done as well, I have to check.

    I wonder what the market is for a relatively low-kms 300tdi sans-head? Already looking at ways to recuperate some of the cost. hehehe (kill me)
    Thats ridonkulous, a head is less than 1k with fitting kit plus half a days labour.
    Even if you factor in new hoses, t/stat etc it wouldnt even cost 2k.
    Its an easy straight forward job with no special tools required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blknight.aus View Post
    diferent strength crank, pistons and rods.

    not essential but reccoemnded if your going to give it a good talking to.
    I suspected as much.

    Has anyone tried this route with any success, or alternatively going directly to a supplier?

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    Ok, so I'm going to have to find a reliable mechanic, and ideally, someone who has either done one of these conversions, or is capable/knows what needs to be done.

    I haven't had much luck with mechanics of late. Either the work isn't being done properly, or they're trying to rip me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timbo View Post
    Ok, so I'm going to have to find a reliable mechanic, and ideally, someone who has either done one of these conversions, or is capable/knows what needs to be done.

    I haven't had much luck with mechanics of late. Either the work isn't being done properly, or they're trying to rip me off.
    Anyone asking over 5K for a tdi head swap is ripping you off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loanrangie View Post
    Anyone asking over 5K for a tdi head swap is ripping you off.
    I'm out of the country, so I still have to confirm, but the diagnosis of the head only happened once it was already at the machine shop, and also I'm pretty sure he's factoring in the clutch work. Regardless, I'm not getting anything done for now. The truck is coming back home and I am without a car until I figure out what to do, and who to do it through. Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timbo View Post
    I suspected as much.

    Has anyone tried this route with any success, or alternatively going directly to a supplier?
    Not that I know of.. but considering how long they last I'd still go for a good used genuine one as you know the right materials have been used and it has been made with the right tolerances.
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