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    Material specs were never hidden by Mal. Ashtrans may have been asked by a customer or friend to source and install a pair.

    Ashtrans themselves made lower low range gear sets, via a different method to MD. They were available for a short time, but withdrawn for reasons I will let Dave explain if he wishes (I may not have the facts right and dont want to get it wrong)

    If we are going to take Ashtrans to task over copyrights, we should have ages ago when their new HD driveflanges came out and looked very similar to the MD, colour and all

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    And maybe Dave is looking at expanding his market and offering an alternative
    And competition can only be a good thing
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    The man just asked a simple question, nothing more than what every 49% customer probably has asked. I think we are being a little (big) bit anal about this.
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    Have to agree with Slunnie, a simple question but some comments are getting borderline.

    Copyright has little to do in this situation, its Patents law, more than that if there is a problem, it is not an issue of ours, it is a commercial issue between Aschroft Transmissions, Maxidrive and the licensee MR automotive if it exists at all.

    AFAIK, Ashcroft's have done several runs of underdrives, so it may not be a problem at all, merely the cost of production for a slow moving assembly.

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    talk about blowing something out of proportion (insert rolling eyes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barefoot Dave View Post
    Dave, forgive me if I am wrong, but isn't MR/MAXI your competitor?
    Not quite kosher doing market research on their products through the forum, I would have thought
    I am, of course, open to being corrected.
    Cheers, Dave.
    Hi Dave,

    not at all, Warren at MR Automotive has bought some products from us and I am looking at buying a low range set from him for a customer of mine,

    it's no more complicated than that !!

    thanks for the replies, I will let the customer know to expect some additional noise,

    thanks again

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slunnie View Post
    The man just asked a simple question, nothing more than what every 49% customer probably has asked. I think we are being a little (big) bit anal about this.
    X2 what he ^ said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uninformed View Post
    John, Im not 100% but I dont think there ever was a 40% reduction set. Just the 30% first and then MD added the 49%.

    Ill see what I can dig up.

    Dave, do you want me to make a sound recording and email it to you?

    cheers
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    I was going by a document from Maxi-drive (as I stated and gave a reference to in my post. Part of the document made into a jpeg is attached below. According to this the 40% reduction has 24T x 71T, so what are the tooth counts for the 49% reduction?

    BTW I doubt 40% was a typo, as the maths check out. For 49% reduction the overall ratio would need to be approximately 1.49 x 3.3 = 4.92
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    Thanks John,

    I missed the part where you said you got the info from a MD document. In all my MD literature I can only find 1 reference to the 40% low, that, on the bottom of a 30% low info page. All it says is "40% improvement is also available on request but does require machining of the transfer case."

    I also have a hand written doc from Mal showing tooth count.

    Original: 19/40 = 2.10
    30%: 20/55 = 2.75
    49% 23/72 = 3.13

    primary reduction 26/41 = 1.58

    Total T/Case
    Original 3.32
    30% 4.34
    49% 4.94

    some other info: 30% gear is 181mm dia, the 49% gear is 184mm dia. And again I think you are correct in your statement re a smaller tooth for the larger reduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bush65 View Post
    I was going by a document from Maxi-drive (as I stated and gave a reference to in my post. Part of the document made into a jpeg is attached below. According to this the 40% reduction has 24T x 71T, so what are the tooth counts for the 49% reduction?

    BTW I doubt 40% was a typo, as the maths check out. For 49% reduction the final stage ratio would need to be approximately 1.49 x 3.3 = 4.92
    Quote Originally Posted by uninformed View Post
    Thanks John,

    I missed the part where you said you got the info from a MD document. In all my MD literature I can only find 1 reference to the 40% low, that, on the bottom of a 30% low info page. All it says is "40% improvement is also available on request but does require machining of the transfer case."

    I also have a hand written doc from Mal showing tooth count.

    Original: 19/40 = 2.10
    30%: 20/55 = 2.75
    49% 23/72 = 3.13

    primary reduction 26/41 = 1.58

    Total T/Case
    Original 3.32
    30% 4.34
    49% 4.94

    some other info: 30% gear is 181mm dia, the 49% gear is 184mm dia. And again I think you are correct in your statement re a smaller tooth for the larger reduction.

    Just found the same sheet John has and pretty sure I posted it up amongst all the tooth counts a while back as a scan in the 'files' section on here.

    It's amongst a catalogue of stuff Paula sent me with the first set of axles and d/flanges in '02.

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