Thread: OMG!! independent rear ends!! FFS,,,

I am prepared to wait and see. The current formula may not be perfect in everyone's eyes, but it is working for the masses. The TV audience and advertising dollars being invested proves the point.

These guys have realised they are in the entertainment business, and unless they put up an appealing package, it will fall over. It is all very well wishing for the old group c days, but ultimately if the teams cannot muster the sponsors because no one is watching TV, we won't have a vibrant national formula.

I watched the second race of the Clipsal yesterday. I would say they have got it pretty well nailed. What a top race.

Originally Posted by pop058

Agreed, but they used to in the early days. EB-on for Ford and VK-on for Holden. I don't think Toyota has ever made a pushrod motor. Maybe a Corolla/Corona from the 60's or so.

Paul

1900 cc pushrod used in early Crown, Tiara, Corona and commercials, also don't forget Toyota's Blueflame copy.

Originally Posted by ADMIRAL

I am prepared to wait and see. The current formula may not be perfect in everyone's eyes, but it is working for the masses. The TV audience and advertising dollars being invested proves the point.

These guys have realised they are in the entertainment business, and unless they put up an appealing package, it will fall over. It is all very well wishing for the old group c days, but ultimately if the teams cannot muster the sponsors because no one is watching TV, we won't have a vibrant national formula.

I watched the second race of the Clipsal yesterday. I would say they have got it pretty well nailed. What a top race.

Very true, there has always been criticisms of Australian touring cars. Back in the day up until the V8's it was endless controversy over parity. It'll be very difficult to run the V8 series like they do the WTCC etc as there isn't a bulk of manufacturers making comparable V8 motors like they do with 2 litres. I think the biggest threat to V8 racing at this stage is if Ford drops the RWD platform used in the Falcon. It'll force them to revise the rules.

But wasn't the COF going to reduce costs?

Surely this won't happen if they go to IRS & multi valve engines.

I agree as well the couple of races last weekend were great,much better than a train of cars & not much happening,same leaders,etc.

A bit more rain would have spiced it up even more

I think their real worry is,as Slunnie said,what will happen when the Falcon in it's present form is dropped,& possibly the same may eventually happen to the Commodore.

Originally Posted by scarry

But wasn't the COF going to reduce costs?

Surely this won't happen if they go to IRS & multi valve engines.

I agree as well the couple of races last weekend were great,much better than a train of cars & not much happening,same leaders,etc.

A bit more rain would have spiced it up even more

I think their real worry is,as Slunnie said,what will happen when the Falcon in it's present form is dropped,& possibly the same may eventually happen to the Commodore.

Yes unfortunately, that circumstance may tip the scales for a silhouette formula, ala Nascar. ( ie. V8 Camry ) ....but they have been very good with their parity regulations. As they use what is effectively a generic suspension and drivetrain, it could still be used in a front wheel drive 'Falcon ' body.

I think Ford will have a lot of soulsearching before they drop a RWD platform in Oz. The fate of the Magna should provide good food for thought. Generally accepted as not a bad car,9 in the end ) but front wheel drive is u/s in a tow vehicle, and that automatically drops a fair bit of the market in Oz.

its gone baby,,

fords ONE CAR policy will see to that,,

The article is mixing their metaphors - one one hand they are talking touring cars, and on the other Super Cars - these are different series. Super cars are a class that uses the same chassis, and running gear but use either a Ford or Chev engine and bodywork to suit the engine. The only brand specific components at are the engines. if the rules were changed then the only Mercedes component would be a the Merc engine and a merc mockup body shell - everything else would be the same as the Holden and Ford super cars.

Touring Car series is something different where the merc would still be basically a merc.

Garry

It'll ruin the popularity of the series and be a massive self defeating excercise.'

Besides what are they gonna prove.. an AMG Merc is better than a Commodore. Shock Horror.