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    OMG!! independent rear ends!! FFS,,,

    Mercedes reportedly considering V8 Supercar entry Down Under

    by Noah Joseph (RSS feed) on Mar 14th 2010 at 7:05PM
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    While American racing fans remain enamored with stock car racing, road course-bound touring car series continue to draw big crowds overseas. In Europe there's the World Touring Car Championship. DTM is one of the most popular forms of motorsport in Germany. The Japanese have Super GT. But Down Under, V8 Supercars reign supreme.

    The Australian touring car series has typically been the battleground for Ford Falcons and Holden Commodores, but the Aussie brands could get some company once again thanks to new regulations. Following a similar move by NASCAR, series organizers in Australia are preparing to institute a new Car of the Future program that could open the door for foreign automakers to take part. The formula calls for a spec chassis with independent rear suspension replacing the live rear axles on the current competitors, plus more advanced DOHC 24-valve engines to accompany (and eventually replace) the pushrod 16-valve units currently in place.

    According to reports from the other side of the world, Mercedes-Benz could be the first to take advantage of the new regs, spurred into action by the increased sales of FPVs and HSVs among V8 Supercars fans Down Under. The German automaker's Australian unit has commissioned Brock Engineering – run by the legendary Peter Brock's son James – to build a sort of ring-taxi type of vehicle based on the C63 AMG in which Mick Doohan – a superbike champion whose record rivals that of Valentino Rossi – will chauffeur paying customers and VIPs on hot laps around the Philip Island circuit in Victoria. The stripped-out, track-prepped C63, according to sources, could form the basis for a Mercedes V8 Supercar, similar to the company's DTM racer.

    Although Mercedes typically prevents its regional subsidiaries from competing in local motorsport disciplines, an exception could apparently be made for the popular Australian series, with factory support provided to privateer entires. Nissan and Hyundai are reportedly also considering entries in the championship
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    Honestly, why would they?

    If they beat the Fords and Holdens then the respective camp would complain until the Mercs were handicapped so that they could win.

    As far as I can tell it's loose loose for Mercedes. I don't think it would take them much "considering" to work that out.
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    V8 Supa-Cars are Ford and Holden only. It would take a whole re-vamp of the series and totally new rules and regs for it to be anything else

    In 2008 Toyota wanted to submit an entry and were promptly denied.

    It is a shame, the days of "Group C" were the best, Ford's, Holden's, Mazda's, Toyotas, BMW's, Volvo's, land Rovers oh sorry that was Jag's and probably other that I cant think of.

    V8 Supa-Cars have made touring car racing boring, bring back multi manufactures for the sake of Australian motor racing.
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    They will have to go back to the 8500rpm limit with 4 valve heads,,

    ooops sorry,,

    the new rear end will be much better out of the corners,,
    just make them understeer a bit
    sorry,,


    I dunno,, same wheelbase and wing profile, newer engines, a couple of different manufacturers (as opposed to parts suppliers) might make it worth watching,,
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    A love the supercars but I'm getting bored with the cars becoming more and more alike in terms of engineering. A few more manufacturers is exactly what is needed to make it more interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift View Post
    just make them understeer a bit
    Not if they are set up correctly. My Datto 1600 had a little bit of toe out on the rear which gave it a form of passive 4-wheel steer as it leaned into a corner. When the outside rear loaded up it pulled the rear around beautifully. There was never any hint of understeer.
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    Isn't the Aussie built Ford supposed to be discontinued and a "generic" American built one used world wide ?
    Mercedes might as well join the V8 comp.

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    At last the organisers will allow the class to step into the Yr2000.

    They were forced into this by Fords indecision on the continuation of a RWD platform. Thats fine if they want to provide a control formula, but at least let other players work to that formula rather than making it a Ford/Holden formula. The construction of the vehicles is irrelevant anyway, I mean from the start the local V8 wasn't suitable so they imported from the Ford parts bin, and the Holden's were rebirthed into a new shape. None of them even come from the factory with live rear axles or 5 litre V8's anyway! They dismissed the Magna RWD V8.

    Hopefully V8 Supercars will come of age. They also did need to revise the old motor rules. Its a bit embarrassing when you can buy road cars that have more power from the factory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drover View Post
    V8 Supa-Cars are Ford and Holden only. It would take a whole re-vamp of the series and totally new rules and regs for it to be anything else

    In 2008 Toyota wanted to submit an entry and were promptly denied.

    It is a shame, the days of "Group C" were the best, Ford's, Holden's, Mazda's, Toyotas, BMW's, Volvo's, land Rovers oh sorry that was Jag's and probably other that I cant think of.

    V8 Supa-Cars have made touring car racing boring, bring back multi manufactures for the sake of Australian motor racing.

    That is the concept behind the "Car of the Future" (CoF) that is being developed by V8Supercars (headed by Skaife as a matter of interest). The major points are that it will be a V8 and based on the manufacturers chassis. That is, NOT a space frame car with fibreglass silhouette body panels ( eg. NASCAR).

    The 2008 Toymota thing probably had a bit to do with them not having (or wanting to develop) a 5lt 2 valves per cylinder pushrod V8 (read dinosaur).

    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by pop058 View Post
    That is the concept behind the "Car of the Future" (CoF) that is being developed by V8Supercars (headed by Skaife as a matter of interest). The major points are that it will be a V8 and based on the manufacturers chassis. That is, NOT a space frame car with fibreglass silhouette body panels ( eg. NASCAR).

    The 2008 Toymota thing probably had a bit to do with them not having (or wanting to develop) a 5lt 2 valves per cylinder pushrod V8 (read dinosaur).

    Paul
    It's not like the Falcon or Commodore come with a 5litre V8 either. Let them choose and run that. They all run a Hollinger gearbox, 9" and non factory suspension anyway.
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    Doohan? Superbike?

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