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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Reminds me of the old Group A etc racing. BMW were fast in the corners, GTR was fast on power and stop/go tracks, Ford Sierra somewhere inbetween and the Commodore , (VK Group Awas fast nowhere. Thats when parity really blew up! I really like the old British Touring Car Championship rules where they were all reasonably close in power (2l formula) and adjusted to suit the manufacturers driveline (ie RWD/FWD/AWD) and then weight was added to any car that won. That kept them all racing tightly.

There was no "Parity" in Group A.
All a manufacturer had to do in Group A was manufacture a stipulated number of cars that basically constituted the racing version, and you could race it in Group A..
In 1991, we had the VN Commodore. To race in Group A, ya had to manufacture 5000 "Group A" versions,...in Europe that is.
In terms of Aussie, because of our smaller market, that number was reduced to 500 (VK Group A 1986), but for 1991 VN Group A, that number was further reduced to 300, as long as the car wasn't raced outside Aussie,....which it wasn't.
So, obviously it raced against the Nissan & the Sierra, but in no way was their any "parity", as a consequence`of which, in a race in which there were no "incidents", and each car's results were a reflection of its ability, the VN Group A was absolutely slaughtered,....the results will show that, that is, when someone, including HRT, decided to front up,...sometimes they didn't!
Pickles.
NB: We did own a VN Group A road car, one of 302!!,....a pretty special machine!

Originally Posted by Pickles2

There was no "Parity" in Group A.
All a manufacturer had to do in Group A was manufacture a stipulated number of cars that basically constituted the racing version, and you could race it in Group A..
In 1991, we had the VN Commodore. To race in Group A, ya had to manufacture 5000 "Group A" versions,...in Europe that is.
In terms of Aussie, because of our smaller market, that number was reduced to 500 (VK Group A 1986), but for 1991 VN Group A, that number was further reduced to 300, as long as the car wasn't raced outside Aussie,....which it wasn't.
So, obviously it raced against the Nissan & the Sierra, but in no way was their any "parity", as a consequence`of which, in a race in which there were no "incidents", and each car's results were a reflection of its ability, the VN Group A was absolutely slaughtered,....the results will show that, that is, when someone, including HRT, decided to front up,...sometimes they didn't!
Pickles.
NB: We did own a VN Group A road car, one of 302!!,....a pretty special machine!

2 black ones, 2 white ones and 298 " Durif Red" ones and IIRC, some even had numbers above 300

Originally Posted by pop058

2 black ones, 2 white ones and 298 " Durif Red" ones and IIRC, some even had numbers above 300

Spot on, but the "back ones" were originally Durif Red,...they were repainted (non factory)) for the competition.
Pickles.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

There was no "Parity" in Group A.
All a manufacturer had to do in Group A was manufacture a stipulated number of cars that basically constituted the racing version, and you could race it in Group A..
In 1991, we had the VN Commodore. To race in Group A, ya had to manufacture 5000 "Group A" versions,...in Europe that is.
In terms of Aussie, because of our smaller market, that number was reduced to 500 (VK Group A 1986), but for 1991 VN Group A, that number was further reduced to 300, as long as the car wasn't raced outside Aussie,....which it wasn't.
So, obviously it raced against the Nissan & the Sierra, but in no way was their any "parity", as a consequence`of which, in a race in which there were no "incidents", and each car's results were a reflection of its ability, the VN Group A was absolutely slaughtered,....the results will show that, that is, when someone, including HRT, decided to front up,...sometimes they didn't!
Pickles.
NB: We did own a VN Group A road car, one of 302!!,....a pretty special machine!

Nice. . One of our long time family friends bought a VL group A Walkinshaw commodore brand new. He still has it - only has 25,000KM on it from new. He takes it out once a month for a run and it lives in a garage that is cleaner than my lounge room.

It's his Sons inheritance - who is now old enough to drive it and loves it as much as his old man - I think it will be in the family for ever...

I've only ever sat in it, not even got a ride around the block in the last nearly 30 years...

Originally Posted by Pickles2

There was no "Parity" in Group A.
All a manufacturer had to do in Group A was manufacture a stipulated number of cars that basically constituted the racing version, and you could race it in Group A..
In 1991, we had the VN Commodore. To race in Group A, ya had to manufacture 5000 "Group A" versions,...in Europe that is.
In terms of Aussie, because of our smaller market, that number was reduced to 500 (VK Group A 1986), but for 1991 VN Group A, that number was further reduced to 300, as long as the car wasn't raced outside Aussie,....which it wasn't.
So, obviously it raced against the Nissan & the Sierra, but in no way was their any "parity", as a consequence`of which, in a race in which there were no "incidents", and each car's results were a reflection of its ability, the VN Group A was absolutely slaughtered,....the results will show that, that is, when someone, including HRT, decided to front up,...sometimes they didn't!
Pickles.
NB: We did own a VN Group A road car, one of 302!!,....a pretty special machine!

Oh yeah, that was homologation to race. A whole different thing and a few manufacturers slipped through the net there too!

They tried and failed with group A parity, they were all given minimum weights - Fred Gibson was always complaining that they weighed them down so much and eventually at up to 1500kg they kept cracking rims and then he had boost restrictions added - and was still winning! The Sierra was about 1200kg, Commodores about 1250kg but more rubber than the sierra and the BMW somewhere around 925kg minimum.