Who is funding IS?

I've been doing my own little bit of reseach on this lately. It's difficult to tell the truth amunst the conspirasy garbage sometimes. It's hard to even work out what they are fighting for.

So as far as I can tell, they control, operate or what ever in part of the almost most useless bit of dirt in the world. The place only has one thing going for it, OIL.

No country will directly admit to buying oil from them as that would be funding terror but if they slip that oil through the back door to a neighbouring country that sells good oil and then then another country buys the oil from a ligitimate counrty then that's OK.

I don't actually think there are that many people left in Syria. The place has been bombed left right and centre. There are no factories manufacturing and exporting, there ar no farms, I don't know what they have to eat and what other country would export into Syria?

All they have is oil that no one will buy directly from them.

As for the war. It's hard for me to understand too. They are fighting for some prophecy. They don't claim to be fighting for money or land or material things. Some of the higher up members obviously understand they need money and material things to carry out the prophecy but that's not what they are fighting for.

I know very little about other wars that have been fought around the world but most are about fighting for control of land, to rule the world and stuff but this is different.

I do believe not all terrist attacks are directly their doing either. Some crazy does a terroist attack somewhere and they claim it to be their doing. Well they aren't all directly their doing. If it was their intent to do terrorist attacks everwhere, I doubt it would be that hard. People can move about the world reasoanbly easy and until they get picked up once, no one really knows they are involved. I think a person might be inspired by things others have done and how their acts have been claimed to be ISIS and they do their own thing of their own bat then ISIS say "Yeh, we did it". Well no they didn't give that person instructions to do it they just inspired them and that's not directly their doing.

Paris seems pretty organised. There were several terrorist with weapons who all attacked at once but in Australia, a lone bloke goes into a cafe with a gun, a lone bloke shoots a police IT guy. It didn't seem very well planned or thought out.

Happy Days

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Originally Posted by joel0407

I've been doing my own little bit of reseach on this lately. It's difficult to tell the truth amunst the conspirasy garbage sometimes. It's hard to even work out what they are fighting for.



Happy Days

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The two links I posted are the best I have found, as to what ISIS wants, & where they came from. This video of the Author of " the Atlantic " article is enlightening. I think it is important we have an idea of who they are, & what their philosophy is. And we should do this without too much emotion. We should also understand that the majority of Muslims do not agree with their philosophy. I am impressed with members approach to this post, good work, guys.
the first link didn't work. Scroll down to the video.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...fb_ref=Default

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Originally Posted by joel0407

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Paris seems pretty organised. There were several terrorist with weapons who all attacked at once but in Australia, a lone bloke goes into a cafe with a gun, a lone bloke shoots a police IT guy. It didn't seem very well planned or thought out.

Happy Days

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Last night's 4 Corners suggested that things might be a bit more organised in Australia than most of us probably believed.

9/11 orchestrated by the US. (begin operation TERRORIST)

Iraq was invaded based on a lie. (Get US friendly people there so a future gas pipeline is possible)

Saddam the elected man was kicked out as was his party.(yes democratically elected although i do believe he did kill people who were opposed to him.)

ISIS was formed.

Had the US and its allies not gone to Iraq to boot an elected man out of office based on a lie there would be no ISIS.

@Pickles. You did not reply to what i posted earlier.
The quote from that former Supreme Allied Commander.
Is he a liar? Is he unreliable?
Dont take my word for it but please Pickles do comment on that.
Here i will post it again for you incase you forgot.

"General Wesley Kanne Clark, Sr., former Supreme Allied commander of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) during the war against Yugoslavia and presidential candidate, revealed recently on CNN that the Islamic State (ISIS) was ?funded by our friends and allies in order to fight Hezbollah."

So you said i had to give you some proof of the US funding ISIS.
Is General Wesley Clarks comments enough to change your mind?
The first video posted here is done by who? A credible person with credentials like Clark or is it just a presenter?

I know who i believe.

And so it begins. What a pity.

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Originally Posted by bob10

And so it begins. What a pity.

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You posted the damn thread. Im just giving my point of view.
What did you expect?
"And so it begins"
Its a bulletin board. You post controversial threads and are shocked when people have opinions contrary to you?

This forum is getting harder and harder to stomach.

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Originally Posted by DAMINK

You posted the damn thread. Im just giving my point of view.
What did you expect?
"And so it begins"
Its a bulletin board. You post controversial threads and are shocked when people have opinions contrary to you?

This forum is getting harder and harder to stomach.

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Perhaps you could give your point of view some where else, then?

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Originally Posted by bob10

Perhaps you could give your point of view some where else, then?

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Yep i agree. This forum is not the place for me.
I bid you farewell.

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Originally Posted by DAMINK

9/11 orchestrated by the US. (begin operation TERRORIST)

Iraq was invaded based on a lie. (Get US friendly people there so a future gas pipeline is possible)

Saddam the elected man was kicked out as was his party.(yes democratically elected although i do believe he did kill people who were opposed to him.)

ISIS was formed.

Had the US and its allies not gone to Iraq to boot an elected man out of office based on a lie there would be no ISIS.

@Pickles. You did not reply to what i posted earlier.
The quote from that former Supreme Allied Commander.
Is he a liar? Is he unreliable?
Dont take my word for it but please Pickles do comment on that.
Here i will post it again for you incase you forgot.

"General Wesley Kanne Clark, Sr., former Supreme Allied commander of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) during the war against Yugoslavia and presidential candidate, revealed recently on CNN that the Islamic State (ISIS) was ?funded by our friends and allies in order to fight Hezbollah."

So you said i had to give you some proof of the US funding ISIS.
Is General Wesley Clarks comments enough to change your mind?
The first video posted here is done by who? A credible person with credentials like Clark or is it just a presenter?

I know who i believe.

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Yes, I agree, if the U.S. had not gone into Iraq, there would be no Isis,....but there very well may have been something else,...there always is in this part of the World, is there not.
Your point about Clark's funding comments are probably true too, BUT, and you need to read what I say too,...things change, ideals of groups change, others "infiltrate" groups, they become the majority, and WHAMO, this "Group" evolves into something totally different to what it was concieved as,...TOTALLY. And, there is NO WAY that the U.S. is in any way currently funding what is currently known as ISIS. You have produced absolutely no evidence to the contrary, and there was also no mention at all of any U.S. funding etc in Bob's clip, simply because it's not happening.
Pickles.

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Originally Posted by bob10

Perhaps you could give your point of view some where else, then?

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Why? We have to endure yours on a daily basis. Isn't it only fair that others get to share an opinion?