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One question that has been on my mind regarding these events is;
the catholic church has the pope, church of englnd has the monarch, and so forth; does the muslim world(faith) have a top dog? Radid or not.
I have read the link over a couple of nights and found it pretty interesting.
I have been bought up a Christian. While I believe in Christianity, I don't follow any denomination. I have spent enough time with many of them to know they all have their own determinations of things in the bible that I don't determine the same way myself.
As an example of a determination. I am by no means an expert of the Catholic denomination but one thing I beleive to right about their religion is part of the bible says "build your house on a rock, not sand". Now from the very little of the bible I have read I know a lot of it was just simple rules for the survival of people in a simper time. Things like if leather become moldy, you should wash it, if it returns you wash it and take it to a preist who will bless it, if it comes back a third time you burn it. That is a simple rule of life for a simpler time. Just as "building your home on solid ground". As far as I understand the Catholic religion is built on the first pope. Catholics decifered the part of build your house on a rock not sand as build your religion on a a rock and in some translation Peter means rock so they built their religion on Peter, the first pope. Now I dont agree with that part, I think it simply means build your house on solid ground so I don't claim to be catholic and that's about all I know about that denomination.
After reading the link it amused me a little that part of muslims following the Islam and the Koran and stuff means there will be some great battle or war or somthing between them and Rome. Apparently Rome means the Catholics and the pope but their problem is the pope no longer has an army. But rather than realising the Koran is like the Bible a way to live and rules to live by hundreds of years ago in a simpler time, they choose to decipher it in differant ways and tell their followers "Oh, the americans are mainly christian so the Koran means America is rome".
It sort of confirmed my thoughts that these acts of terror that have happen across the western world are not acting from any direct instruction from ISIS or these organisations but more just lone wolves going it on their own and doing the things they have done are not really following what the prophecy says anyway. That sort of gives me a little, not a lot but a little comfort about the refugees we and other countries are receiving.
What I dont understand is why we and other countries are stopping people and citizens of our country and other countries going to join ISIS. I mean if they are that strong of a believer and they want to go and live that way well why not let them and then not let them return. I understand we dont want to strengthen their numbers but I'd rather know where my enemy is. But even this contradicts what I have said a little. I mean if they feel the need to go there to fight for this prophecy and live that way of life then they should know enought about it to know acts of terror here is apparently not part of the prophecy.
I don't think me or anyone else should tell another group of people how to live or what is right or wrong. I don't argee with how some other people live but I don't think any part of this world is developed enough for one part, group or area to tell the other what they are doing is wrong. For example I don't think people should be beheaded but I suspect they beleive we do things that are just as wrong. I often use they way aboriginals lived here in Australia and the problem it's caused by westerners forcing their way of living upon them. I mean they didn't live very long lives but why is that wrong. For me I think the average life expectance is about 80 years. If I get close to that, I'll be happy. Aboriginals lived to 50 or something but if that all people lived for and you made it to 50, you'd be happy. So they didn't have modern medicine and big building and gun powder and all that stuff but neither did they have all the stress we deal with in our every day these days. The problem comes when a group of people try to tell another group of people that the way they are living is wrong and they should live their way.
On a side note I don't want to take this thread off topic to why I believe in religion but I will say breifly, I think there are equally as many holes in both evolution and religion. I can't explain there being a supreme human being but maybe religion fits somewhere between the apes and us. Maybe they are both right.
Thank you, Joel. That is a thoughtful and considered reply. As stated earlier, the two links I posted were the most informative I found. Not hateful, or conspiracy theories, just informative. At least you had the good grace to read them before making a reply. You respected the thread, and respect earns respect. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by joel0407
I agree Joel with most of what you say.
I especially like what you've said about "forcing religions" on people.
Rightly or wrongly, this country is based on Christianity, thus I believe that's where it should stay.
I'm not sure its so much about our majority religion but our laws. Maybe by the time the next generation takes over we could be majority Muslim and beheadings become accepted. Who knows. I know I don't want it but I think we have to remember that as recent as 60 - 70 years ago we would heard up aboriginals and shoot them. You could get a licence to cull a few if you needed. Here we are today trying to support the more human side of a war because we want them to win for humanity. Maybe they aren't wrong, just a little behind us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chops
We should leave it at that, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by joel0407
There is no generation on earth that has not made mistakes, in which regard what you have said, is simply a massive exageration, & light years away from, ANYTHING relative to Isis.Quote:
Originally Posted by joel0407
Pickles.