Thread: Should tourists climb Uluru?

Originally Posted by rangieman

I have enjoyed this thread with some good and some not so good personal opinion`s.
As in most of this forum some get very opinionated and thats fine just dont play the man
Me im not going say yey or ney simply what i ever i say will result in a name calling of something
All ill say is we are planing a trip in that direction in 2018

Every one has an opinion, they are like arseholes. Some stink more than others, but all are respected. And that , Ladies and Gentlemen, is why this is such a great place to live. So far.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

Joe,..."Heated"?....Check your post 73, that was the word you used, although Wifey & I cannot remember it being so.
I guess We will, as you say, have to "agree to disagree", but at least We've shown that We, at least, are capable of having a discussion, where we disagree, but are still able to treat each other & our differing opinions, with respect.
Regards, Pickles.

AMEN to that, Brother.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

Joe,..."Heated"?....Check your post 73, that was the word you used, although Wifey & I cannot remember it being so.
I guess We will, as you say, have to "agree to disagree", but at least We've shown that We, at least, are capable of having a discussion, where we disagree, but are still able to treat each other & our differing opinions, with respect.
Regards, Pickles.

I stand corrected. Passionate perhaps?

The 2010- 2020 Management Plan makes interesting reading for those that are interesting in some of the facts around the way the park is managed rather than peoples opinions.

[ame]https://www.environment.gov.au/system/files/resources/f7d3c167-8bd1-470a-a502-ba222067e1ac/files/management-plan.pdf[/ame]

In particular Clause 6.3.3C on page 92 outlines the future conditions that will see the climb permanently closed.

MrLandy, if you happen to revisit, I could not see a reference to Parks having any Veto over the traditional owners ( I may have missed it.) the make up of the board of management appears to have significant indigenous representation.

Of the 12 members of the Board of Management:

Eight Aboriginal members are nominated by the Anangu traditional owners
One member is nominated by the federal minister responsible for tourism and approved by Anangu
One member is nominated by the federal minister responsible for the environment and approved by Anangu
One member is nominated by the Northern Territory Government and approved by Anangu
One member is the Director of National Parks.


https://www.environment.gov.au/topic...ark-management


It's good to see we seem to have got away from playing the man and at least some can agree to disagree......Thank you

Wanyu Ulurunya tatintja wiyangku wantima - please don't climb Uluru.
That's a really important sacred thing that you are climbing... You shouldn't climb. It's not the real thing about this place. And maybe that makes you a bit sad. But anyway that's what we have to say. We are obliged by Tjukurpa to say. And all the tourists will brighten up and say, 'Oh I see. This is the right way. This is the thing that's right. This is the proper way: no climbing.'
Kunmanara, traditional owner
EDIT;
{ Tjukurpa - creation times. The creators decreed the laws that govern all aspects of daily and sacred life]

What a great topic! Really no sarcasm intended. Right or wrong I love to hear different perspectives to my own (well when I'm in the mood for it anyways, maybe not on a Sunday morning). I have been of the opinion that I would love to climb it but would refrain out of respect (though I did 25 yrs ago oblivious to the politics). For me I think we should be free to do as we please as long as it isn't negatively impacting anyone else. As this seems to be impacting a whole race (not just the locals but other mobs see it as an indication of Europeans general level of respect for them and their beliefs) I would definitely avoid doing so. As I stated I believe that we defiantly shouldn't and most people I know that have a different perspective in it don't want to climb it just because they don't care and will do as they please but believe that the aboriginal perspective has been fluid and therefore will not take the current stance as gospel.
Anyways great topic

Soap box time.....The only thing that annoyed me was people being offended by something that does not relate to them personally. I'm my humble opinion you have to directly impacted to be "offended" otherwise you are just practicing social one upmanship by trying to take the moral high ground.
Rant over

Thank you guys for furthering my education on the topic.

Originally Posted by Bytemrk

The 2010- 2020 Management Plan makes interesting reading for those that are interesting in some of the facts around the way the park is managed rather than peoples opinions.

https://www.environment.gov.au/syste...ement-plan.pdf

In particular Clause 6.3.3C on page 92 outlines the future conditions that will see the climb permanently closed.

MrLandy, if you happen to revisit, I could not see a reference to Parks having any Veto over the traditional owners ( I may have missed it.) the make up of the board of management appears to have significant indigenous representation.

Of the 12 members of the Board of Management:

Eight Aboriginal members are nominated by the Anangu traditional owners
One member is nominated by the federal minister responsible for tourism and approved by Anangu
One member is nominated by the federal minister responsible for the environment and approved by Anangu
One member is nominated by the Northern Territory Government and approved by Anangu
One member is the Director of National Parks.


https://www.environment.gov.au/topic...ark-management


It's good to see we seem to have got away from playing the man and at least some can agree to disagree......Thank you

Brilliant

Originally Posted by sheerluck

or taking a dump in the font at the local church (none of which there are laws against)

I think you might find there is a law against this one. With the amount of times I've seen people up before a magistrate for urinating in public, I can easily imagine there would be a law for dumping in public.